RE: [Philmont]: Eliminating disharmony

I would not want to imply that the Philmont weight restrictions are bad.
They like all laws are designed by the masses and fit the intended goal of
keeping people on the trail and out of the health lodge. They are based on
people who live below 1000 feet to hike at 10,000 feet. Makes sense to me.
 
I live at 6000 feet part of the year and at 9000 the rest of the year. The
last two base camps I was in were above 14,000 feet. I know what my body
does at altitude, how it reacts and responds because I have done it dozens
of times.
 
Because of this, I understand and support the Philmont weight restrictions.
 
Jim Moss
 
 

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From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Rhiannon McDermott
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:33 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Eliminating disharmony

Perhaps some people would be able to handle that kind of weight in their
packs but the guidlines are there for a reason. Its not worth carrying
extra gear through airports or train stations when the rangers are going to
tell you to store it in your locker anyway. Several advisors in our
contingent had trouble carrying the extra gear and the kids did not have fun
watching themselves be slowed down because of it. We had several Thorns and
Rose discussions because of it.
 
With over 800,000 people that have come through Philmont I urge people to
trust the advice that they give. If you are not in good physical condition
you will only get hurt. I spent two nights at health lodge (poison Ivy) and
its not fun. Extra weight on you body and in your pack only takes away from
your experience in the end.
 
Rhiannon McDermott
Philmont Advisor 2005

"James H. Moss" <bsa.rec.law@gmail.com> wrote:

And out of shape too. I live at 6000 feet and would never make Philmont's
weight schedule but prefer to climb this way and lose the weight as I go.
Lot healthier at high altitudes to have a little more weight because you
lose so much. I start out slow and always summit first. I also acclimate
with no problems. I don't have problems with Philmont's restrictions, but I
will never be back because of them. I'm going to Aconcagua later this year
and will go heavier than Philmont would allow.

Living in Colorado I ignore the mountain lion and bear problems. They are
only problems if you make them that way. I have to live that way and deal
with both monthly during the summer.

80 pounds is light when you are mountaineering. I've carried 100 pounds on
average up and 120 down several times.

I carried a spare stove, a spare fuel bottle, a half dozen spare socks, my
tent, a crazy creek chair (that was luxury), etc.

I had a lot of foot repair stuff in my first aid kit, aspirin etc. I had no
idea what the kids were carrying and surveyed the stuff during the Philmont
shakedown, but. I carried a backpacker stove and extra food, spices, etc.
One night I taught the kids how to make pizzas. A lot of mornings we had
scones or muffins. The boys made them, I just carried the stuff. Those are
not on the Philmont menu, but made a big difference for the boys. A
Frisbee, and I have not matter what else. I took a lot of stuff to keep the
kids healthy and happy. Extra bear bag system, well worth the weight.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Daniel Preston
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 5:20 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: [Philmont]: Eliminating disharmony

Jim, I think this an incredibly important point to make. With all of the
preparation, the responsibilities, bear and mountain lion precautions, the
hiking schedule and the programs to make, it is easy for advisors to lose
track of the fact that the scouts are at Philmont to have fun. For advisors
to have your attitude, however, they need to be in shape for the rigors of
the trek. If advisors are not physically prepared for Philmont, they will
probably not be thinking about how to make the trip fun for the scouts.

By the way, how does a guy with your experience show up to Philmont with an
80 lb. pack and 10 lb. first aid kit?

Dan Preston
Louisville, KY

My number one goal was to have fun.

I just worked hard at having fun with youth. I think the success of the
crew was having fun. Fun carrying an extra load. Fun picking up trash.
Fun
helping others.

Jim

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