Re: [Philmont]: Need help with a question

Your right, first come is first served. They chose to do the other things
first. You and your son are better than I am. Make some water rockets of
your own for your guys and let them shoot till the moon turns blue. Did you
say these other Adult & kids were Scouts??????

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bailey, Jerry D" <Bailey.Jerry@med.va.gov>
To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont" <philmont@troop47.com>
Sent: Monday, 18 August, 2003 18:30
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Need help with a question

> May I ask for help also? Just a quick personal question? At Family Camp
this
> weekend the big event was water rockets launching with an air compressor
> (big deal for the kids). They made water rockets in the morning, and shot
in
> the afternoon. They had plenty of other activities to do in the afternoon
> beside water rocket bottle launching. My son gave up the other fun things
to
> do so he could go shoot water bottle rockets more. He got in line and shot
> once, and then was in line again patiently waiting his turn - and kept
> getting pushed back so for the two hours he gave going to other events
> (hoping to shoot many times) he only got to shoot once. I was told when I
> saw 10 or 12 other kids from one pack (pack 40 out of Valencia) pushing
him
> back - I asked why? I was told by one of the guys running the event (he
had
> a Pack 40 shirt also) that kids had not shot once, got to go ahead of
> everybody that shot once. Why didn't give other events, if they wanted to
> shoot, instead of cutting in line - ahead of people that had gotten their
> early and been waiting quite a while. My son gave up going to other fun
> events that he could have enjoyed, so he could get in line to shoot as
many
> times as he could in the two hour window to shoot water bottle rockets.
But
> because of the other kids cutting in line (after they went to other fun
> things first - the one my son missed out on because he wanted to shoot the
> rockets as many times as he could within the allotted time frame for this
> event (one of many events that he turned down everything to do this) I
> personally felt that this policy was wrong and that first come should be
> first served - with not cutting in line. He sacrifice other fun activities
> so he could do this more but he was penalized by other kids (all pack 40)
> pushing ahead of him in line after they attended the same events that he
> could if he had not wanted to do rocket launching more. My question to
this
> very knowledge, fair, honest list is: Is this right or wrong? Should there
> have been cutting in line allowed, or should it have been first come,
first
> serve, wait in to shoot, first time or tenth time. This was the most
> important event my Webelos II wanted to do. Was I wrong in feeling hurt
> because he was hurt and pushed aside and not allowed to the right and fair
> thing - wait in line - wait your turn as it came up - not be pushed aside
by
> anybody who did not want make the same sacrifices as you and give up other
> events for this one? It too late to smooth over his hurt feelings this
year
> but there will be future Family Camping Events. If the event manager, I
want
> to address the issue to save future problems. If I am wrong then I bite
the
> bullet and explain to my son the great scouting wizards of the list that I
> was wrong and let it go. I ask this list special because I know you all
have
> the most knowledge and experience of all the scouting and could give me
your
> own personal opinions better. Sorry, for length but I was/am upset because
> he kept getting pushed to the end of the line after waiting so long, and
> patiently (he handled better than I did) I just humbly ask "What is your
> opinion?" Thanks a million in advance for your greatly appreciated time
and
> assistance. Yours in Scouting: Jerry D. Bailey, Assistant Cubmaster Pack
> 722, Los Angeles, CA (@ Philmont PTC July 2003, hope to go again soon)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Bradley [mailto:tbradley60@comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 3:50 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Need help with a question
>
>
> If he thinks that it is HIS troop, I would ask for HIS resignation. The
SM
> works for the committee and the sponsoring organization. Suitable
> consequences for improper behavior are required. This in NOT the correct
> solution.
>
> Tom Bradley
> Committee Chair - T161
> C-20-95 - I use to be a FOX!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jpsampson1@mmm.com>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont" <philmont@troop47.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 12:11
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Need help with a question
>
>
> >
> > OK, a couple of you have said you'd be interested in helping, or at
least
> > reviewing my problem, and as I'm familiar with the wisdom on this board,
> > I'll try to give you the Reader's Digest condensed version of what is
> going
> > on.
> >
> > At summer camp in July, five of our older scouts, (1 Eagle and 4 Life
> Rank,
> > ages 15-17) decided to get up in the middle of the night and wander
around
> > the campsite breaking sticks and making bear sounds. Practical jokes
have
> > NEVER been tolerated in our troop, so what possessed them to do this, we
> > really don't know. Anyway, three leaders, one of which was me, heard
them,
> > thinking it was a bear. We talked amongst ourselves, but waited it out
in
> > our tents. This lasted about 45 minutes, then all was quiet. No one else
> > woke up. The next morning we told the SM about it, and at formation, he
> > reminded the scouts about following proper bear policy to avoid visits
by
> > bears in our campsite. NOTE: There was an incident of a scout being
> > attacked by a bear at our camp (not our site though) many years ago, and
> > although we haven't had any attacks in several years, bears do visit our
> > camp. Anyway, after the SM finished his talk, our Committee Chair heard
> one
> > of the boys make a 'bear sound' and when they exchanged glances, the
scout
> > smiled. The CC knew immediately who the 'bear' was. Nothing was said at
> the
> > moment, but we then told the SM that there wasn't a real bear, and tried
> to
> > think of a practical, appropriate consequence for the boys. All are
good,
> > active, scouts, and have never been in trouble in or out of scouting. In
> > fact, they include the current ASPL, the former SPL, the Troop Guide,
the
> > Chaplain's Aid, and Librarian. All have parents actively involved in the
> > troop. Anyway, all five 'fessed up during a discussion with the SM, and
> > once realized what COULD have happened (scaring the younger scouts,
> > although if they really wanted to, they would have succeeded, and
didn't)
> > they agreed it was a stupid thing to do and felt bad about it. The
adults
> > decided the consequence would be for a camp counselor to spend an
> afternoon
> > with them to talk about bear behavior, bear policy etc. This would #1
> > educate them, and #2 'deprive' them of some free time doing something
they
> > would probably rather be doing during a summer day at camp! Due to an
> > emergency not directly related to this issue, the focus was elsewhere
and
> > the scouts never got their bear education. They all left camp at the end
> of
> > the week thinking this incident was over, as did the adults. It was not
> > discussed with the rest of the troop.
> >
> > In a conversation among leaders a month later, the SM commented that
NONE
> > of the boys involved in the 'bear' incident would EVER be allowed to
have
> > leadership in HIS troop. Even if it meant preventing them from getting
> > their Eagle, a Palm, or even if they all quit. He didn't care. Some of
> > these scouts go all the way back to Tiger Cubs with this SM, and the
> others
> > have a long history under his leadership. Only the three leaders who
heard
> > his comments are aware he is planning to hold this against the boys in
> this
> > manner and we're not sure how to handle this. The SM is the only one who
> > has had any contact with our Charter Rep, and he has years of history
with
> > our unit commissioner -- going that route will not be effective. Our CC
is
> > a great guy but is stumped, too.
> >
> > So, now that it's well after camp, where do we go from here? Both with
> > consequences for the boys, AND how do we handle the SM? Does anyone
have
> > any suggestions? Thanks very much!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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