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From: Dave Daniels <ddaniels@rnet.com>
Date: Wed Aug 27 2003 - 09:18:03 CDT

The best source for silicone coated nylon tarps that I have found is a web
site call www.cookecustomsewing.com. Our Crew, 721I-1, used their 10x14
1.1oz tarp this year and it weighted only 24oz with rope included.

Dave Daniels
Troop 99, Melrose Chapel
Quincy,Il.
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> philmont Digest Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:03:48 -0500 V01 #715
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> Today's topics:
> 'Silicone-nylon vs. polyurethane-nylon tarp'
> 'Re: [Philmont]: Silicone-nylon vs. polyurethane-nylon tarp'
> 'RE: [Philmont]: Silicone-nylon vs. polyurethane-nylon tarp'
> 'Tent maintenance'
> 'Back on list and 'Philmont Duty to God Patches''
> 'Re: [Philmont]: Silicone-nylon vs. polyurethane-nylon tarp'
> 'RE: [Philmont]: Silicone-nylon vs. polyurethane-nylon tarp'
> 'Re: [Philmont]: Tent maintenance'
> 'Re: [Philmont]: Silicone-nylon vs. polyurethane-nylon tarp'
>
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> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:21:59 -0400
> From: "Ched Hudson" <chedhudson@verizon.net>
> Subject: Silicone-nylon vs. polyurethane-nylon tarp
>
>
> The weight reduction advantage of a silicone-impregnated nylon tarp over
> it's polyurethane-coated nylon counterpart is a no-brainer, but there are
> probably disadvantages that are not immediately apparent. I've been
looking
> at getting a crew tarp for our shakedown hikes, and to avoid having to use
> one of the expedition-weight Philmont tarps when we get there. Does
anyone
> have any experience with these pro or con?
>
> Also, I've seen several references to crews using a 12' x 12' tarp, but
the
> largest size I'm seeing commonly available is 10' x 12'. Does the extra
bit
> of square footage make enough difference to warrant continuing my search?
> Suggestions for sources? We'll have a full crew of 12 hikers.
>
> >Ched Hudson
> ASM, Troop 994
> Fairfax Station, VA
> Philmont '66, '04
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:47:06 -0500
> From: "Robert W. Vernon" <bob.vernon@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Silicone-nylon vs. polyurethane-nylon tarp
>
>
> We took our own 10X12 silicon-impregnated tarp this summer and it worked
> fine. Of course, we had no rain to speak of. Even so, we set up the dining
> fly at each campsite and it covered all our gear nicely. We used two
hiking
> staves as poles. The savings in weight was welcomed by the young man
> carrying the tarp. One of the Scouters in our troop uses an identical tarp
> as his tent when we camp locally (not allowed, I don't believe, at
> Philmont). Not sure how the silicon-impregnated tarps will hold up in
harsh
> weather, but they certainly worked great at Philmont. We picked ours up at
> Galyans, which is an REI competitor. REI did not carry the product when I
> went searching for it last spring.
>
> Beaver Bob
>
> > From: "Ched Hudson" <chedhudson@verizon.net>
> > Reply-To: philmont@troop47.com
> > Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:21:59 -0400
> > To: Multiple recipients of list philmont <philmont@troop47.com>
> > Subject: [Philmont]: Silicone-nylon vs. polyurethane-nylon tarp
> >
> > The weight reduction advantage of a silicone-impregnated nylon tarp over
> > it's polyurethane-coated nylon counterpart is a no-brainer, but there
are
> > probably disadvantages that are not immediately apparent. I've been
looking
> > at getting a crew tarp for our shakedown hikes, and to avoid having to
use
> > one of the expedition-weight Philmont tarps when we get there. Does
anyone
> > have any experience with these pro or con?
> >
> > Also, I've seen several references to crews using a 12' x 12' tarp, but
the
> > largest size I'm seeing commonly available is 10' x 12'. Does the extra
bit
> > of square footage make enough difference to warrant continuing my
search?
> > Suggestions for sources? We'll have a full crew of 12 hikers.
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:15:49 -0400
> From: "Diane Mikulis" <DBMikulis@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Silicone-nylon vs. polyurethane-nylon tarp
>
>
> We used a 10 x 12 Ultralight silicone impregnated tarp from Campmor at
> 19 oz. (Item # 20070-E, $84.99) It worked great, although we didn't have
> any heavy rain or hail, just daily showers. We used trekking poles for
> support and devised a scheme for staking that only required 8 stakes-
> one at each corner, one at each pole and by overlapping the cord, one at
> the center of each side.
>
> Using our own lightweight equipment and bringing the bare essentials
> enabled us to keep all packs in the 33 to 44 pound range, most under 40.
>
> Diane Mikulis
> Troop 757, Glenwood, MD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com]On
> Behalf Of Ched Hudson
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:22 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
> Subject: [Philmont]: Silicone-nylon vs. polyurethane-nylon tarp
>
> The weight reduction advantage of a silicone-impregnated nylon tarp over
> it's polyurethane-coated nylon counterpart is a no-brainer, but there
> are
> probably disadvantages that are not immediately apparent. I've been
> looking
> at getting a crew tarp for our shakedown hikes, and to avoid having to
> use
> one of the expedition-weight Philmont tarps when we get there. Does
> anyone
> have any experience with these pro or con?
>
> Also, I've seen several references to crews using a 12' x 12' tarp, but
> the
> largest size I'm seeing commonly available is 10' x 12'. Does the extra
> bit
> of square footage make enough difference to warrant continuing my
> search?
> Suggestions for sources? We'll have a full crew of 12 hikers.
>
> >Ched Hudson
> ASM, Troop 994
> Fairfax Station, VA
> Philmont '66, '04
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:18:05 -0400
> From: "Diane Mikulis" <DBMikulis@comcast.net>
> Subject: Tent maintenance
>
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> Does anyone know how to remove pine resin from tent fabric without
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> Diane Mikulis
> Troop 757, Glenwood, MD
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> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:18:31 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Kevin Mineart <kjmineart@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Back on list and 'Philmont Duty to God Patches'
>
>
> Hello to all!! I had stopped getting mail from the list earlier this
> summer as I was going to be away from my computer a lot for work,
> summer camp and as luck and our fast dialing fingers would have it, a
> Philmont Trek.
>
> Our Trek went well, great thanks to all who have answered my specific
> questions as well as all those contributing for the last several years
> (I was preparing for this Trek for a LONG time!) We did itinerary 18
> with side hikes to Crooked Creek, Apache Springs and from base camp to
> the Tooth on day 12 (Ute Gulch was also a side hike on Day 2 for a food
> pick up.) We took our own tents, pots (except for 1 6 qt Phil-pot) and
> dining fly. We used the (or a) turkey bag cooking method which worked
> out great for us*. We all had a great time and I for one am ready to go
> back... I also know my son (turned 15 on 8/15, the day we got home from
> our Trek) wants to go back and do a Rayado and after he finished High
> School (baseball to be precise) he wants to work as a ranger. We had a
> great ranger, Steve C. from the Naval Academy and also met another
> great ranger, Steve's friend Mike also from the Naval Academy, Steve
> really got us off to a great start.
>
> I do have one question, we underestimated the hike up the tooth from
> base camp and ended up shorting ourselves on getting on our bus to the
> train in Raton (we walked back into base camp at about 2:05pm and the
> bus was at 3:00pm (it actually showed up at 2:45.) My plan was to take
> my son and I's 'Philmont Duty to God' patch chits to the trading post
> after we got back into camp and got a shower, as it turns out, the 2 of
> us as well as 1 or 2 other scouts from our crew didn't have time to
> stop at the trading post so we didn't get the paper turned in and
> patches paid for. Does anyone know if there is any way to mail the
> forms back out along with a check or MO for the number of patches we
> need?? My email for TOTT is outdated, if anyone has an email that I
> could use to contact Shelly (it is still Shelly isn't it??) it would be
> much appreciated.
>
> A couple notes:
>
> Hiking the Tooth from base camp will likely require skipping breakfast
> or lunch (we ended up missing lunch but not necessarily by choice) we
> took 3 hours to climb up to the top and 2-1/2 hours to come back (had
> a little encounter with a 3' rattle snake on the way up that slowed us
> a bit.) Be sure to take plenty of water with you, it's a long hike in a
> relatively arid area.
>
> Take a REAL carribeaner for putting up an oops bag, we had never ending
> problems getting 1 rope up, let alone 2. I don't remember this
> mentioned but it may have been and I missed it. (We straightened out a
> Philmont TP 'souvinere' beaner trying to put up an oops bag on it.)
>
> As an adult, one of the things I will take with me next time is a
> couple travel packs of wet wipes, again, not something I remember from
> the list but it may have been mentioned. This was something Ranger
> Steve had with him that I borrowed when I needed a little extra
> cleaning power. This isn't something that I think needs to be on
> everyone's gear list though.
>
> If you have extra food left from meals, swap box it at your earliest
> convenience. The only thing I stock piled were gatorade mixes for use
> in treated water. We had several boys that wanted to scavenge
> everything uneaten from every meal to eat later but we didn't ever run
> out of food from the meals and even managed to work out a plan the last
> 2 days on the trail that allowed us to bring home unopened examples of
> trail breakfast, lunch and dinner packages (the 10th serving and a few
> smaller appetites helped.)
>
> We had trail shirts made from dri-release t-shirts (had our state and
> trek number on the right sleeve and the Philmont Arrowhead and 2003 on
> the left sleeve, the idea was you'd still be able to see the stuff with
> a backpack on.) I won't ever hike in a cotton t-shirt again, that stuff
> was amazing.
>
> Anyway, enough rambling for now. More later I'm sure. (I do have some
> info on the dining fly question but it's at home.
>
> Yours in Scouting
> Kevin Mineart 2003 Phil-trek 802-B3
> West Burlington, IA
>
>
> *I came up with a little variation that I don't remember mentioned on
> the list in the past, we would dump the food mixes in separate turkey
> bags (we didn't mix food items other than a couple times where they
> were similar things, noodles and rice combinations, etc) we boiled a
> pot of water separately, sterilized plates/bowls/cups/spoons and then
> dip-measured the boiling water into the bags which were then stirred
> and twisted closed before dropping into the 6 qt pot with about an inch
> of water in the bottom, this was allowed to simmer for 5 to 10 minutes
> and then it was set off the stove for the balance of time needed to
> fully reconstitute our food. After the first couple days on the trail,
> we learned to guage whether the 9 of us needed 10 servings or 8 (or
> even 6) and we didn't ever really have too much trouble finishing the
> food and finding someone that wanted to 'sump' the bag. We also tried
> to do our best in the way of compacting trash, the best day, we got our
> entire day's worth of trash into a cheerios box, a club cracker box and
> hmmm... another box of similar dimension (this included our 2 turkey
> bags from supper that had been 'squeegied' clean and then rolled up and
> stuffed, the trash is a major smellable anyway so there was no need to
> put the turkey bag in the yum-yum bag.
>
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> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:58:47 EDT
> From: Gbeaglegolf@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Silicone-nylon vs. polyurethane-nylon tarp
>
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> we used a light weight 10x12 tarp that you can buy at Northern Tool or
Home
> Depot. Used trekking poles and it worked fine. Weighed about half of a
Philmont
> tarp and is inexpensive. If you can get your hands on a scrap piece of
Tyvek,
> you can make a great tarp that is very light.
> Garry Black
> 808M 2003
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> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:24:30 -0400
> From: "Phil Brown" <phil@eisnc.com>
> Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Silicone-nylon vs. polyurethane-nylon tarp
>
>
> I have a 10x12 silicone-impregnated lightweight tarp that I bought from
> Campmor about 5 years ago. Weights about 1 lb. It's been used on many
> backpacking trips through the years including 2 Philmont treks. It was
> large enough for our crew of 11 (both treks). As most do, we used
> trekking poles to put it up. It's still in fairly good shape after all
> the use including a few major wind storms.
>
> Phil Brown
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
> Behalf Of Ched Hudson
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:22 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
> Subject: [Philmont]: Silicone-nylon vs. polyurethane-nylon tarp
>
> The weight reduction advantage of a silicone-impregnated nylon tarp over
> it's polyurethane-coated nylon counterpart is a no-brainer, but there
> are
> probably disadvantages that are not immediately apparent. I've been
> looking
> at getting a crew tarp for our shakedown hikes, and to avoid having to
> use
> one of the expedition-weight Philmont tarps when we get there. Does
> anyone
> have any experience with these pro or con?
>
> Also, I've seen several references to crews using a 12' x 12' tarp, but
> the
> largest size I'm seeing commonly available is 10' x 12'. Does the extra
> bit
> of square footage make enough difference to warrant continuing my
> search?
> Suggestions for sources? We'll have a full crew of 12 hikers.
>
> >Ched Hudson
> ASM, Troop 994
> Fairfax Station, VA
> Philmont '66, '04
>
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:32:59 -0500
> From: "Jimmie White" <jwhite@arkansasusa.com>
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Tent maintenance
>
>
> Try Avon's Skin-so-Soft
> Jimmie White
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Diane Mikulis
> Sent: 8/26/2003 11:18:05 AM
> To: philmont@troop47=2Ecom
> Subject: [Philmont]: Tent maintenance
>
> > Does anyone know how to remove pine resin from tent fabric without
> > affecting the waterproofing? I=12ve tried scraping, but it won=12t all
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> > Diane Mikulis
> > Troop 757, Glenwood, MD
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> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:01:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Robert Chaney <rchaney52@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Silicone-nylon vs. polyurethane-nylon tarp
>
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> i bought a bought a Noahs Tarp from campmor. it very lite and sets up
very ez.. itd a Kelty product.We plan on using it on our pre trek hikes but
was worried about taking it to Philmont next summer. The Philmont folks dont
care if u bring your own gear?
>
> Ched Hudson <chedhudson@verizon.net> wrote:The weight reduction advantage
of a silicone-impregnated nylon tarp over
> it's polyurethane-coated nylon counterpart is a no-brainer, but there are
> probably disadvantages that are not immediately apparent. I've been
looking
> at getting a crew tarp for our shakedown hikes, and to avoid having to use
> one of the expedition-weight Philmont tarps when we get there. Does anyone
> have any experience with these pro or con?
>
> Also, I've seen several references to crews using a 12' x 12' tarp, but
the
> largest size I'm seeing commonly available is 10' x 12'. Does the extra
bit
> of square footage make enough difference to warrant continuing my search?
> Suggestions for sources? We'll have a full crew of 12 hikers.
>
> >Ched Hudson
> ASM, Troop 994
> Fairfax Station, VA
> Philmont '66, '04
>
>
>
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> <DIV>i bought a bought a Noahs Tarp from campmor.  it very lite and
sets up very ez.. itd a Kelty product.We plan on using it on our pre trek
hikes but was worried about taking it to Philmont next summer. The Philmont
folks dont care if u bring your own gear? Ched Hudson
<chedhudson@verizon.net> wrote:
> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">The weight reduction advantage of a
silicone-impregnated nylon tarp over it's polyurethane-coated nylon
counterpart is a no-brainer, but there are probably disadvantages that
are not immediately apparent. I've been looking at getting a crew tarp
for our shakedown hikes, and to avoid having to use one of the
expedition-weight Philmont tarps when we get there. Does anyone have any
experience with these pro or con? Also, I've seen several references
to crews using a 12' x 12' tarp, but the largest size I'm seeing commonly
available is 10' x 12'. Does the extra bit of square footage make enough
difference to warrant continuing my search? Suggestions for sources?
We'll have a full crew of 12 hikers. >Ched Hudson ASM, Troop
994 Fairfax Station, VA Philmont '66,
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