Rick: Philmont personnel does most of Philmont vehicle maintenance;
including changing out broken axles and worn transmissions. The maintenance
shop is located near the ranch administrative offices on the PTC side of the
main road. Maybe he can get someone there to advise him on how to get the
car started. Even though he is able to start the car, I wouldn't be
comfortable in starting a cross country trip with an engine that was
previously frozen and possibly has water in the tranny and rear axle. I
share your concern about hauling a vehicle with another under-weight vehicle
and inexperienced drivers. If a professional mechanic is not available to
check the car and the hauling option is not feasible then a car transport an
alternate. Go to google: car hauling ; my experience is that you can have a
car transported from coast to coast for approximately $500. The prices may
vary due to the remoteness of Philmont but that is better than you making a
mad dash from home to Philmont and back to State College, PA. YIS Chuck
Wimberly
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Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 12:03 AM
To: Philmont
Subject: [Philmont] - philmont Digest - V01 #1073
philmont Digest Thu, 05 Aug 2004 00:02:58 -0500 V01 #1073
Today's topics:
'Re: [Philmont]: Physical Condition'
'[Philmont]: Need Philmont-related advice'
'Re: [Philmont]: Physical Condition'
'Re: [Philmont]: Need Philmont-related advice'
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:14:08 -0400
From: "Mike Floyd" <mfloyd24@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Physical Condition
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This year was my fourth trek ( 98,00,02,04) and I am 49. Each time I =
prepared myself by walking. One of the ways that I kept myself motivated =
was to record my daily walks.
1997-1998- walked 166 times - 491 miles
1998-2000- walked 307 times- 1145 miles
2000-2002- walked 391 times- 1522 miles
2002-2004- walked 367 times- 1389 miles
This kept me aware of where I was at in comparison with previous years. =
My wife joined me for many of my walks, which proved to be a great =
benefit. A great time to talk and share with each other. For the =
98,00,02 treks I also walked with my boots on and my pack at least =
nightly for a month before I departed. This time I felt more comfortable =
about my conditioning and decided not to do this for 2004. I must admit =
for my first treks it helped.=20
In January, I joined a local health club and my walking was moved to the =
treadmill. I did this to allow me to do my exercise after dark and =
eliminate the weather factor. I thought I would not enjoy doing my daily =
walk on the treadmill. But I found that I could walk at a faster =
consistent pace.
Watching my diet at least six months before departing also helps. This =
is also my main problem when I return. I tend to chow out on all those =
items that I deleted from my diet.
I also find that I typically lose 10 lbs on the trail, but regain this =
weight normally in a month after I come off the trail.
Yis
Mike Floyd
Asst Scoutmaster- Troop 149
Northeast Georgia Council
Lead Advisor-Philmont 98,00,02,04
G.A.T.C. "Thru Hiker" 98,00,02,04
OA Vigil- "Wachtschu Achpamsin" ( Mountain Hiker)
http://www.oconeeTroop149.org/
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<DIV>This year was my fourth trek ( 98,00,02,04) and I am 49. Each time =
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was to=20
record my daily walks.</DIV>
<DIV>1997-1998- walked 166 times - 491 miles</DIV>
<DIV>1998-2000- walked 307 times- 1145 miles</DIV>
<DIV>2000-2002- walked 391 times- 1522 miles</DIV>
<DIV>2002-2004- walked 367 times- 1389 miles</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This kept me aware of where I was at in comparison with previous =
years. My=20
wife joined me for many of my walks, which proved to be a great benefit. =
A great=20
time to talk and share with each other. For the 98,00,02 treks I also =
walked=20
with my boots on and my pack at least nightly for a month before I =
departed.=20
This time I felt more comfortable about my conditioning and decided not =
to do=20
this for 2004. I must admit for my first treks it helped. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In January, I joined a local health club and my walking was moved =
to the=20
treadmill. I did this to allow me to do my exercise after dark and=20
eliminate the weather factor. I thought I would not enjoy doing my daily =
walk on=20
the treadmill. But I found that I could walk at a faster consistent =
pace.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Watching my diet at least six months before departing also helps. =
This=20
is also my main problem when I return. I tend to chow out on all =
those=20
items that I deleted from my diet.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I also find that I typically lose 10 lbs on the trail, but regain =
this=20
weight normally in a month after I come off the trail.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Yis</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Council<BR>Lead Advisor-Philmont 98,00,02,04<BR>G.A.T.C. "Thru Hiker"=20
98,00,02,04<BR>OA Vigil- "Wachtschu Achpamsin" ( Mountain Hiker)<BR><A=20
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:34:09 -0400
From: Olan Watkins <OlanWatkins@compuserve.com>
Subject: [Philmont]: Need Philmont-related advice
If I remember correct, there is a Ford place in Springer which is only 20=
to 25 miles from Philmont.
As many trucks/cars as Philmont has, they must have some one fairly local=
to do their repairs un less they have on staff people and equipment to ta=
ke
care of their cars/trucks.
Olan
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 23:13:23 -0500
From: "Allen Jones" <osuallen@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Physical Condition
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I started training last September (2003) (45 years old). We were a 612 =
(2004) trek. I already had been doing some sporadic walking on the =
treadmill and had been doing some swimming and weight work for our =
Northern Tier trip last summer (2003). We kicked off September with a =
monthly 10 mile hike. All our Scouts going were to earn both the hiking =
and backpacking merit badges. If they had already earned it, they still =
went through everything again to support the team. I also began =
treadmill walking 1 to 3 times a week, depending on my schedule. I =
typically walked for an hour on a 6 to 10% incline depending on how I =
felt. Mixed in some bike riding - have a lake next to my house that has =
a 10 mile paved trail all the way around it - usually involves at least =
2 - 3 miles into a typical Oklahoma 25 mph wind. As we got more into =
the winter I increased my walking to be usually 3 days/week when I =
could. Did our first shakedown outing at a local scout camp at the =
beginning of March. Elevation change is only about 200 feet from high =
to low, but there are lots of ups and downs all over. The camp is only =
about 400 acres so we did lots and lots of ups and downs to get in our =
15 miles for the weekend. Somewhere in there we started doing our 10 =
mile hiking MB hikes with packs on and loaded to about 2/3 to 3/4 our =
expected trail weight. Also started mixing in wearing a pack on the =
treadmill - typically loaded between 75% to 120% as heavy as I expected =
to have on the trail (again, depending on how I felt). In April and May =
we did our other 2 shakedown hikes in the Oklahoma and Arkansas =
"mountains". About the best we could do was a 2000 climb, so we picked =
routes that had one big climb, back down and at least one or two smaller =
climbs. I had hoped to work my way up to 5 to 7 days per week walking =
on the treadmill and wearing a pack every one of them, but I could never =
find the time. Only managed about 3 to 5 days/week with a pack on about =
half of them.
Physically I did OK. I was never just completely worn out - I think I =
was more tired on our second shakedown - we intentionally did the =
hardest one early in our schedule to help give everyone a good reason to =
train hard. I do wish that the last month, I could have managed to walk =
more, especially with my pack loaded heavier that what I was going to =
have on the trail. The adults were noticeably slower than most of the =
Scouts. Partly that is to be expected. But we also managed to set a =
fast enough pace that we never missed program or pulled into camp late.
When I go back again I will try much harder to work my way up to much =
harder training the last 60 days.
Allen Jones
SM T168
Oklahoma City
----- Original Message -----=20
From: MelMetz@aol.com=20
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: [Philmont]: Physical Condition
With 2004 Philmont season drawing to an end. Would like to hear from =
adults, especially those over 40, on how you prepared yourself for =
Philmont. Just hiking with the scouts does not make it happen and some =
of you found out the hard way.=20
Mel Metzler T320
Dayton, OH
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<DIV>I started training last September (2003) (45 years old). =
We were=20
a 612 (2004) trek. I already had been doing some sporadic =
walking on=20
the treadmill and had been doing some swimming and weight work for our =
Northern=20
Tier trip last summer (2003). We kicked off September with a =
monthly=20
10 mile hike. All our Scouts going were to earn both the hiking and =
backpacking merit badges. If they had already earned it, they =
still went=20
through everything again to support the team. I also began =
treadmill=20
walking 1 to 3 times a week, depending on my schedule. I typically =
walked=20
for an hour on a 6 to 10% incline depending on how I felt. Mixed =
in some=20
bike riding - have a lake next to my house that has a 10 mile paved =
trail all=20
the way around it - usually involves at least 2 - 3 miles into a typical =
Oklahoma 25 mph wind. As we got more into the winter I =
increased=20
my walking to be usually 3 days/week when I could. Did our first =
shakedown=20
outing at a local scout camp at the beginning of March. Elevation =
change=20
is only about 200 feet from high to low, but there are lots of ups =
and=20
downs all over. The camp is only about 400 acres so we did lots =
and lots=20
of ups and downs to get in our 15 miles for the weekend. Somewhere =
in=20
there we started doing our 10 mile hiking MB hikes with packs on and =
loaded to=20
about 2/3 to 3/4 our expected trail weight. Also started mixing in =
wearing=20
a pack on the treadmill - typically loaded between 75% to 120% as heavy =
as I=20
expected to have on the trail (again, depending on how I felt). In =
April=20
and May we did our other 2 shakedown hikes in the Oklahoma and Arkansas=20
"mountains". About the best we could do was a 2000 climb, so we =
picked=20
routes that had one big climb, back down and at least one or two smaller =
climbs. I had hoped to work my way up to 5 to 7 days per week =
walking on=20
the treadmill and wearing a pack every one of them, but I could never =
find the=20
time. Only managed about 3 to 5 days/week with a pack on about =
half of=20
them.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Physically I did OK. I was never just completely worn out - I =
think I=20
was more tired on our second shakedown - we intentionally did the =
hardest one=20
early in our schedule to help give everyone a good reason to train =
hard. I=20
do wish that the last month, I could have managed to walk more, =
especially with=20
my pack loaded heavier that what I was going to have on the trail. =
The=20
adults were noticeably slower than most of the Scouts. Partly that =
is to=20
be expected. But we also managed to set a fast enough pace that we =
never=20
missed program or pulled into camp late.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>When I go back again I will try much harder to work my way up to =
much=20
harder training the last 60 days.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Allen Jones</DIV>
<DIV>SM T168</DIV>
<DIV>Oklahoma City</DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
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from=20
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Philmont.=20
Just hiking with the scouts does not make it happen and some of you =
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 23:24:20 -0500
From: "Allen Jones" <osuallen@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Need Philmont-related advice
Rick
#1 below is worth a try, hope it would work, but there is a better than
average chance that you are talking about a cracked head or bent connecting
rod (or worse). Would need to find out if it won't turn over because of a
problem somewhere between and including the battery and starter (sounds like
it was in deep water), or if all of that is fine and there is serious engine
damage. Be sure to remove all the plugs before trying to turn it over.
Allen Jones
SM Troop 168
Oklahoma City
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Hamm" <ahamm@alanhamm.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont" <philmont@troop47.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Need Philmont-related advice
> Rick,
>
> I am a member of a discussion board that has some very helpful guys on it.
> After posting your dilemma, here are two responses:
>
> #1
> "Many factors at work here.....
>
> If he removes all the plugs and spins the motor, water removed?
> With a good carburetor spraying, water displaced?
> A change of the oil and filter after squirting each spark plug hole with
> Marvel Mystery Oil (or diesel fuel water displacer) and rolling it over a
> few more times, followed by squirting 5W30 into the plug holes.... quite a
> smoke cloud for a few minutes, but I got a GTO running that way some years
> ago.
>
> Assuming he has some time available, this is a sort of problem solving
> exercise that is possible if he has some tools and if he has access to a
> credit card/ cash.... Pep Boys has all that stuff... assuming a parts
store
> is available. Sounds like something he/they could take a crack at without
> too much risk. Any effort short of your roundtrip hassle would be an
> experience. Of course, getting it home would also be a good trip, assuming
> they can handle the details you describe...... no input there. Good luck-
my
> dad was an Eagle Scout! "
>
> #2
>
> Get a tow bar and tow it on the ground with the Jeep. Just remove the
rear
> driveshaft if it is an auto transmission.
>
> Leave a long distance between the Jeep and anything in front as the
stopping
> distance will be twice as much as usual.
>
> Hope this helps some. I will let you know if I get more ideas.
>
> Alan Hamm
> Scoutmaster
> Troop 8 - Bethesda, MD
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Neff" <rln2@psu.edu>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont" <philmont@troop47.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 11:55 PM
> Subject: [Philmont]: Need Philmont-related advice
>
>
> > PhilPholks,
> >
> > I need some advice for a more "personal" problem - no, not chaffing
.....
> >
> > I need some advice for my son on how to get his car home from Philmont.
> > My son, Josh Neff is a first year Ranger, this year. The engine on his
> 1996
> > Explorer is locked-up and it appears that it needs replaced. Josh would
> > prefer to get the car home (central Pa.) and take care of the engine
> > replacement here..
> >
> > Josh asked me to help coordinate a trailer rental so he and a fellow
> Ranger
> > can tow it home. Sounds simple - right?
> > So far, it looks like UHaul will not rent them a trailer, as the towed
> > vehicle is about the same weight as the towing vehicle (a Jeep Grand
> Cherokee).
> >
> > I am going to verify the trailer rental and see if there are any other
> > truck or trailer options, from the national chains.
> > Even if I can solve that, I am a little concerned about two 19
year-olds -
> > towing for the first time and towing with an under-sized vehicle...
> > If we continue to look at hauling by trailer (and cannot rent one), I am
> > considering moving my planned purchase of a "car-hauling-type" flat bed
> > trailer up and wondering about trying to purchase it in New Mexico via
> > phone or Internet????
> >
> > Another option is to hop in the truck and drive out - to do the towing
> with
> > a bigger vehicle and an experienced driver. I am not thrilled with this
> > option for several reasons - 1-tough getting off work as I already went
to
> > Philmont this summer; 2-this could cost a $1000 (for fuel and related
> > expenses); 3-it would be an unpleasant, whirlwind trip; 4-Doing this
would
> > diminish my son's experience of "solving" this problem himself....
> >
> > I am looking for other options and ideas.
> > Do any of you know about shipping a car by train, or by hired truck, or
> > some other method?
> > Or perhaps, personally know a reliable mechanic in the Cimarron area?
> >
> > BTW - these two finish up and plan to leave on August 10th.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any advice.
> > Also, thanks for tolerating a non-trek related question.
> >
> > Your in Scouting (and parenting),
> > Rick Neff
> > Scoutmaster, Troop 31
> > State College, Pa.
> >
> > FWIW - the engine died when it consumed some water in through the air
> > intake system. The engine became hydra-locked. It is unclear how much
> > damage was done. At this time the engine will not turn over. Josh
reports
> > that a volume of water came out of at least two cylinders when he
removed
> > the spark plugs.....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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