The Phil-list Aug_2004: RE: [Philmont] - philmont Digest

From: Dave Parmly <PARMLYD@pilottravelcenters.com>
Date: Tue Aug 10 2004 - 06:49:36 CDT

Some wandering observations on various topics on this thread.

RE Travel services to Philmont: I was contingent advisor for our group
of 4 crews from Knoxville Tennessee (Contingent 717-N 1-4). We used
"Leading the Way Tours" to coordinate our travel to and from Philmont
and they do an excellent job. They coordinated our flights (which is
tricky with groups that large), had a bus and representative on the
ground at Colorado Springs, took us to lunch, toured the Air Force
Academy and some local sites, arranged for our group to go to the Flying
W dude ranch for dinner, then transport to Philmont the next morning.
Excellent people, a few Phil-vets working for them, they have done this
for a lot of groups and do a great job getting you there, and even
helping prepare your guys for the trek (e.g., at lunch the day we
arrived, everyone gets a "Leading the Way" tours Nalgene bottle and they
start pushing water into the system to help stave off altitude sickness
issues.) If you plan to travel by air, I'd recommend getting a tour
service to help negotiate a good deal, and we feel LTW did an excellent
job. Call Christine Emrick at 866-696-5073 or leadingthewaytours.com.

RE Fees: 12 hours before we went wheels up on our trip to Philmont, my
son slipped on a small bit of water in his bathroom and slammed his foot
into the door. Broke the # 2 toe on his right foot (just next to the
big toe.) Doctor said he can't go to Philmont (Dr's 2 sons were
Phil-vets and so he knew what the deal was.) We saw our investment
going out the window, as we had no stand-bys who could go on such short
notice. Lesson Learned: TRIP INSURANCE! It's out there and we
intended to get it but never got around to it. $75 bucks will cover you
in the event of a cancellation such as someone down below here
described. Google "trip insurance" and you'll get more websites than
you can imagine. I can't recommend one because I never bought it.
Maybe if I had, the "rest of the story" below would be different.

The rest of the story for my son and I is we talked it over and he
decided doctor or not, he wasn't going to lose out on 2 years of work
for some busted landing gear, so he taped it up, popped some Motrin and
drove on. It wasn't a "lost money" decision; He was determined to get
there and git 'r' done. It really wasn't that bad, according to him,
and we just had to sneak through medical re-check and stay mum until the
ranger had departed. He did great and his crew members rallied around
him big time.

RE Caterpillar: I'll have to try this long-legged caterpillar y'all
describe. I can't imagine doing one with such big intervals. We found
the 10 step interval worked great, kept the guys together and talking to
each other on the short halts (encouraging, reminding to drink), and
again our speed wasn't impacted in the least.

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Today's topics:
     'RE: [Philmont]: Catapiller - small group'
     'RE:Caterpillar small groups'
     'RE: [Philmont]: RE:Caterpillar small groups'
     'RE: [Philmont]: Notes on mid-season Trek 32'
     'Putting Your 2004 Philmont Trek Photo Journal on the WWW'
     'RE: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question'
     'Re: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question'
     'RE: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question'
     'Philmont fee schedules - was Pretty basic question'
     'RE: [Philmont]: Philmont fee schedules - was Pretty basic
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:12:39 -0400
From: "Ronald D. Hamlin" <rhamlin@uga.edu>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Catapiller - small group

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I was the advisor for a crew of seven that used the caterpillar with =
great
success, both uphill and downhill, this summer. You can use it with any
number of paces that is comfortable to you. We used twenty paces (or =
forty
steps) and cruised past many crews struggling up hill. Works great!

Ron Hamlin

ASM Troop 326

Athens, GA

Philmont '04 624-K4

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Good Afternoon.

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I am looking for a "catapiller" technique for a small group - 7 people.
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have done it with 12 people, but how do you change the breaks for a =
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Thanks.

David Palmer

Philmont - 1976, 2003

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twenty paces (or forty steps) and cruised past many crews struggling up
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Works great!

Ron Hamlin

ASM Troop 326

Athens, GA
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:20:07 -0500
From: "Jonas Jon Cntr AMC/A38IP" <Jon.Jonas@scott.af.mil>
Subject: RE:Caterpillar small groups

In 2002, our crewmembers suggested adjusting the caterpillar to 50 steps
rather than 15. This kept the uphill momentum going and gave everyone a
longer break. Worked great for us! Should also work for smaller
groups, I'd think (though without working out the arithmetic). This
also had the unforeseen benefit of spreading the crew out a bit
more--they (as usual) tended to bunch up nose-to-backpack a couple of
feet apart.

Jon Jonas
Dynamics Research Corporation
AMC/A38IP
618.744.9412 X152

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:48:34 -0400
From: "Dave Parmly" <PARMLYD@pilottravelcenters.com>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: RE:Caterpillar small groups

Jon,

You bring up an excellent positive attribute of the caterpillar:
FLEXIBILITY! We stuck to 10 step intervals for normal grades and when
it pitched higher, we went to 5. However, nothing would keep you from
making it whatever interval you want. We have found, regardless of the
interval, that our route speed of 2,5 mph never varies much, whether
"catting" or not.

Dave Parmly
Advisor, Crew 506
Halls Crossroads, Tennessee
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Subject: [Philmont]: RE:Caterpillar small groups

Jon Jonas
Dynamics Research Corporation
AMC/A38IP
618.744.9412 X152

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:15:01 -0400
From: "Ched Hudson" <chedhudson@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Notes on mid-season Trek 32

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Larry,

Thanks! Your pictures look a whole lot more interesting than the
pictures we
took on Day 12!! (Blasted weather...)

Question: I'm looking for a way to ease the posting of our pictures on
the
web site. Did you use any particular software or methods to publish your
trek photos?

>Ched Hudson
ASM, Troop 994
Fairfax Station VA
Philmont 67, 04
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Behalf Of Larry Sims - KBR Elec
  Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 7:38 AM
  To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
  Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Notes on mid-season Trek 32

Ched,

I enjoyed your trip report. If you would like to see the views from
the
ToTRidge see Day 12 of our photo journal at

http://www.troop1288.org/ or

http://www.troop1288.org/crew610c4/crew610c4photojournal.htm

Larry Sims

Philmont 2004 Expedition Coordinator

Troop 1288 Katy, TX

610-C4 2004 Trek #24

IWTGBTP!

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:36:14 -0500
From: "Larry Sims - KBR Elec" <Larry.Sims@halliburton.com>
Subject: Putting Your 2004 Philmont Trek Photo Journal on the WWW

Ched,

If you would like to encourage one or more of your crew members to
generate a photo journal for your troop website, these are the programs
that were used to generate the Crew 610-C4 photo journal.=20

The Crew #4 photo journal may be seen at
http://www.troop1288.org/crew610c4/crew610c4photojournal.htm=20

Web Album Generator http://www.ornj.net/ was used to generate our photo
journal. I plan to send this guy some money. I like the program and it
uses some pieces of Web Easy.

File Rename for photo Files http://www.1-4a.com/rename/ . File renaming
programs help you make some sense out of your thousands of digital
photos.
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FTP transfer program http://www.softwarea.com/. A File Transfer Program
moves your web page from your computer to the web server. Your service
provider will have instructions to help you out.

I have Web Easy Professional but have not found it to be user friendly
or very good. I may be a little dense. It is useable I guess. You can
see their adverts at http://www.v-com.com/product/Web_Easy_Pro_Home.html

If the list has good WYSIWYG recommendations, I would be glad to hear
them.

Larry Sims
Philmont 2004 Expedition Coordinator
Troop 1288 Katy, TX=20
610-C4 2004 Trek #24
609-A3 2002 Trek #5FM (Fire modified trek)
718-G1 1965 (The Monsoons of '65)
IWTGBTP!

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:32:42 -0400
From: "Karl Hebert" <eagle355@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question

Our crew had two participants drop the day before we were to depart for
Philmont this year for very valid personal reasons, a father and son.
We lost every dollar of those fees to Philmont. If we had to do it all
over again we would only reserve and pay for seven slots upon making
reservations, and show up with the additional heads and pay their
additional fees upon arrival. I know this is playing the system and
some may feel it not right, but for a troop to forfeit that much money
for something that is beyond our control is simply too much to absorb.

Karl Hebert
Troop 39
Cumming, GA

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:33:45 EDT
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Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question

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Karl,
I hope your troop didn't forfeit the money, I hope the participants did.
My
$.02.

YIP X 6
'93, '95, '97, '99, '01, '03
IWTGBTP (and I will, Lord willing, in 2005)
Steve Unger
T-50, Fort Worth, Texas

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:41:50 -0500
From: Pfeifer Randy-QA4427 <Randy.Pfeifer@motorola.com>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question

Our troop works to get payment well ahead of time from participants so
that any financial exposure will be placed on the participants not the
troop. We're very clear that the exposure rests on the participants and
if/should anyone have to backout, they have an obligation to help find a
suitable replacement or forfeit the payments made. With a last minute
outage where no replacement is possible, the people withdrawing
understand the implication. Seems to work.

Randy Pfeifer
(847) 632-5563

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Behalf Of Karl Hebert
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 6:33 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question

Our crew had two participants drop the day before we were to depart for
Philmont this year for very valid personal reasons, a father and son. We
lost every dollar of those fees to Philmont. If we had to do it all
over again we would only reserve and pay for seven slots upon making
reservations, and show up with the additional heads and pay their
additional fees upon arrival. I know this is playing the system and
some may feel it not right, but for a troop to forfeit that much money
for something that is beyond our control is simply too much to absorb.

Karl Hebert
Troop 39
Cumming, GA

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:35:19 -0500
From: "R Fisher" <ghotier@texas.net>
Subject: Philmont fee schedules - was Pretty basic question

Greetings All,

I have been reading with interest the comments related to posting fees
for Philmont. We are in the initial stages of putting together a group
for 2006 (hopefully - all fingers are crossed). Like many crews from
our area, in the past, we have driven out to the ranch - this is part of
why you see all the Texas license plates in the parking lot. I am
looking at the possibility of flying out to C. Springs or Albuquerque
and spending some time doing other fun things as well as getting
acclimated. For those of you who have done this, how do you handle
these arrangements to maintain maximum flexibility? Do the airlines
work with you to transfer tickets, etc. or do you just take the hit?
Ditto other advance purchase types of arrangements.

Any feedback and/or war stories would be most welcome.

Happy Trails

Roy Fisher

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:08:58 -0500
From: "Scott Calkins" <scalkins4@cox.net>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Philmont fee schedules - was Pretty basic
question

Roy,

I am setting up for 2005. For tickets purchased through their group
sales
offices, I seem to remember that Southwest Airlines and Continental will
allow name changes on the tickets up to 48 hours prior to the flight.
Check
with airline to make sure.

Scott

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Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 8:35 PM
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Greetings All,

Any feedback and/or war stories would be most welcome.

Happy Trails

Roy Fisher

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