The Phil-list Aug_2004: RE: [Philmont] - philmont Digest

From: Dave Parmly <PARMLYD@pilottravelcenters.com>
Date: Tue Aug 10 2004 - 08:55:16 CDT

This is a very long post and I hope folks going to Philmont will find it helpful to them.

Our crew developed a cooking technique last summer on the Appalachian Trail that worked very well, and which our Phil-ranger considered one of the most innovative techniques he had ever seen on the trail. He turned it in to the staff on his eval of our crew, but I thought you might consider sharing it with y'all also.

One pot cooking has many advantages but some disadvantages as well. At Philmont, our crew noted lots of side items discarded in porch swap boxes, like green beans or mashed potatoes that crews had evidently decided just would not work mixed with the beef stroganoff, etc. Ergo, food is wasted or the nutritional value of it is lost to the camper. Given the limited nature of the diet, we found that consuming everything was helpful to maintain regular, firm bowel movements, including green beans, corn, etc. The issue is mixing them in a single pot. Even the new, trendy "turkey bag technique", still tends to mix many not-normally-together foods in one bag. That can make meal times somewhat of a morale suck. I know, some Phil-psychos will probably say "Why come to Philmont then? Suck it up and mix your cheesecake with the stroganoff and be a man about it while carrying a packboard wearing a wool sweater and a bearskin sleeping bag." But our intent was to live comfortably as possible even in the backwoods, and that means enjoying meals. The fact that we use less water and generate no additional trash while avoiding the cleaning of a pot...well, I didn't come to Philmont to scrub pots. Sorry, and I hope I don't incur the wrath of "John LeBlanc from Beaumont Texas-types" for being a wussy.

Our crew's solution is efficient, saves time and water, and is much faster to clean up than almost any method we've seen and encourages total menu consumption. Here goes the description of the process. For purposes of illustration, I'll use the beef stroganoff dinner that comes with green beans.

1. Light the stoves. We put two Coleman stoves side by side in the fire ring and rest the 8 quart pot, filled most of the way to the top, on the stoves and resting against the metal bars that cross the fire ring, for stability. (Two stoves with full bottles lasted all the way to Day 5. We had two spare bottles, and refilled the empty ones on our day 6 food pickup at Baldy Town commissary.) Tightly cover the pot with a lid or aluminum foil. We put enough water to do all the dinner re-hydration, plus a cup or two of coffee for advisors and some warm water to make the post-meal wash process a little nicer on the hands.
2. Get out the dinner bags. Notice that the Phil-bags are heat sealed on one end, and have perforated bottoms on the other end. Turn the bag upside down so the end with the holes faces up. Carefully cut along the end with the holes from one side of the bag to the other. Remove the contents of the bag and roll the bag down a bit to give it some strength. You will usually need two bags to be used for the entrée, and one bag for the side items (green beans, etc.).
3. Gather small logs or rocks to form a support structure into which the empty bags are placed. The rocks/logs need be big enough only to hold the bag upright when the contents are placed inside it. These will be the re-hydration bags. Don't build a sacrificial altar. Do not use rocks that have been used for urinals. Goes without saying, but my boys told me to tell y'all that. 4. Open the smaller, usually white plastic, bags that holds the main entrée. For example, our delightful beef stroganoff. Note the instructions on the bag and in this case we see that the recipe says each two diners need 16 oz. of boiling water. Pour three bags of dried stroganoff into each of two of the re-hydration bags. Cooks calculate the amount of water needed for each bag. In our example, 3 white pouches of stroganoff that require at 16 oz. per bag means a total 48 oz. of hot water spread throughout the two re-hydration bags.
5. Pour all of the side items, in this case green beans, into a third re-hydration bag. Usually all of the side items (corn, mashed potatoes, beans) fit neatly into one bag. Calculate the amount of water needed to re-hydrate these. For Ramen noodles, we mixed those, broken up, in with the chicken and rice, I believe. There are plenty of big bags that the Ramen could have been a separate, side item.
6. Once the pot is in a rolling boil, cooks carefully dip mesh bags with the crew's bowls and spoons into the boiling water to sanitize it, then hang them to dry. The bowls/spoons were washed after last night's meal, air dried and hung near the sump until packing up the following morning. However, they have not been sanitized until immediately prior to the meal about to be consumed.
7. Once the sanitizing is 100% complete (when in doubt, sanitize) cooks get a small measuring cup (preferably with a spout), gloves and an empty, non-smellable Nalgene. Hold the Nalgene with gloved hands as it will get hot. Cooks retrieve the appropriate amount of hot water for the recipe, measure it into the Nalgene and pour it into the re-hydration bags. Once the right amount is poured, roll the bag shut and let it sit for between 5 to 8 minutes in most cases. Stir the contents before rolling it shut to avoid pernicious powdery pockets of potatoes (P4).
8. Cooks use remaining big bags to organize cookies, breadsticks, etc into a buffet line, then tell everyone to come sanitize hands, retrieve bowls/spoons and then all say grace. By this time, the contents should be re-hydrated and ready to serve.
9. Campers come down the line while cooks portion out food to each. Usually seconds were available of everything. The buffet line keeps things organized, encourages portion control and gives a nice feel to the meal. Our guys liked the perception of choices. Encourage everything to be eaten.
10. After dinner, once all contents are eaten from the hydration bags, roll them up tightly as part of trash. Beans/corn, etc., usually needed to be sumped because there was always too much water when cooked by the recipe. Use remnants of big pot of boiling water in one pot, add some to a smaller second pot then some purified water to make enough warm water for dish washing, done per Philmont procedure with green scrubby, etc..

I have some pictures that shows our youngsters arranging the bags, etc. which I can send if you e-mail me at "parmlyd@pilottravelcenters.com".

Other than any personal attacks for my not encouraging our boys to be miserable Oliver-Twist "How can you have any Philmont if you don't scrub a pot like I did" pot-washers, I am available for questions!

Dave Parmly
2004 717-N1
Advisor, Venture Crew 506
Christ UMC, Halls Crossroads, Tennessee
Great Smoky Mountain Council

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Today's topics:
     'RE: [Philmont]: Catapiller - small group'
     'RE:Caterpillar small groups'
     'RE: [Philmont]: RE:Caterpillar small groups'
     'RE: [Philmont]: Notes on mid-season Trek 32'
     'Putting Your 2004 Philmont Trek Photo Journal on the WWW'
     'RE: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question'
     'Re: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question'
     'RE: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question'
     'Philmont fee schedules - was Pretty basic question'
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:12:39 -0400
From: "Ronald D. Hamlin" <rhamlin@uga.edu>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Catapiller - small group

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I was the advisor for a crew of seven that used the caterpillar with =
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success, both uphill and downhill, this summer. You can use it with any
number of paces that is comfortable to you. We used twenty paces (or =
forty
steps) and cruised past many crews struggling up hill. Works great!

Ron Hamlin

ASM Troop 326

Athens, GA

Philmont '04 624-K4

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Good Afternoon.

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I am looking for a "catapiller" technique for a small group - 7 people. =
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David Palmer

Philmont - 1976, 2003

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Works great!

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ASM Troop 326

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:20:07 -0500
From: "Jonas Jon Cntr AMC/A38IP" <Jon.Jonas@scott.af.mil>
Subject: RE:Caterpillar small groups

In 2002, our crewmembers suggested adjusting the caterpillar to 50 steps
rather than 15. This kept the uphill momentum going and gave everyone a
longer break. Worked great for us! Should also work for smaller
groups, I'd think (though without working out the arithmetic). This
also had the unforeseen benefit of spreading the crew out a bit
more--they (as usual) tended to bunch up nose-to-backpack a couple of
feet apart.

Jon Jonas
Dynamics Research Corporation
AMC/A38IP
618.744.9412 X152

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:48:34 -0400
From: "Dave Parmly" <PARMLYD@pilottravelcenters.com>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: RE:Caterpillar small groups

Jon,

You bring up an excellent positive attribute of the caterpillar:
FLEXIBILITY! We stuck to 10 step intervals for normal grades and when
it pitched higher, we went to 5. However, nothing would keep you from
making it whatever interval you want. We have found, regardless of the
interval, that our route speed of 2,5 mph never varies much, whether
"catting" or not.

Dave Parmly
Advisor, Crew 506
Halls Crossroads, Tennessee
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Jon Jonas
Dynamics Research Corporation
AMC/A38IP
618.744.9412 X152

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:15:01 -0400
From: "Ched Hudson" <chedhudson@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Notes on mid-season Trek 32

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Larry,

Thanks! Your pictures look a whole lot more interesting than the pictures we
took on Day 12!! (Blasted weather...)

Question: I'm looking for a way to ease the posting of our pictures on the
web site. Did you use any particular software or methods to publish your
trek photos?

>Ched Hudson
ASM, Troop 994
Fairfax Station VA
Philmont 67, 04
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  Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 7:38 AM
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  Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Notes on mid-season Trek 32

Ched,

I enjoyed your trip report. If you would like to see the views from the
ToTRidge see Day 12 of our photo journal at

http://www.troop1288.org/ or

http://www.troop1288.org/crew610c4/crew610c4photojournal.htm

Larry Sims

Philmont 2004 Expedition Coordinator

Troop 1288 Katy, TX

610-C4 2004 Trek #24

IWTGBTP!

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:36:14 -0500
From: "Larry Sims - KBR Elec" <Larry.Sims@halliburton.com>
Subject: Putting Your 2004 Philmont Trek Photo Journal on the WWW

Ched,

If you would like to encourage one or more of your crew members to
generate a photo journal for your troop website, these are the programs
that were used to generate the Crew 610-C4 photo journal.=20

The Crew #4 photo journal may be seen at
http://www.troop1288.org/crew610c4/crew610c4photojournal.htm=20

Web Album Generator http://www.ornj.net/ was used to generate our photo
journal. I plan to send this guy some money. I like the program and it
uses some pieces of Web Easy.

File Rename for photo Files http://www.1-4a.com/rename/ . File renaming
programs help you make some sense out of your thousands of digital
photos.
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FTP transfer program http://www.softwarea.com/. A File Transfer Program
moves your web page from your computer to the web server. Your service
provider will have instructions to help you out.

I have Web Easy Professional but have not found it to be user friendly
or very good. I may be a little dense. It is useable I guess. You can
see their adverts at http://www.v-com.com/product/Web_Easy_Pro_Home.html

If the list has good WYSIWYG recommendations, I would be glad to hear
them.

Larry Sims
Philmont 2004 Expedition Coordinator
Troop 1288 Katy, TX=20
610-C4 2004 Trek #24
609-A3 2002 Trek #5FM (Fire modified trek)
718-G1 1965 (The Monsoons of '65)
IWTGBTP!

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:32:42 -0400
From: "Karl Hebert" <eagle355@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question

Our crew had two participants drop the day before we were to depart for
Philmont this year for very valid personal reasons, a father and son.
We lost every dollar of those fees to Philmont. If we had to do it all
over again we would only reserve and pay for seven slots upon making
reservations, and show up with the additional heads and pay their
additional fees upon arrival. I know this is playing the system and
some may feel it not right, but for a troop to forfeit that much money
for something that is beyond our control is simply too much to absorb.

Karl Hebert
Troop 39
Cumming, GA

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:33:45 EDT
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Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question

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Karl,
I hope your troop didn't forfeit the money, I hope the participants did. My
$.02.

YIP X 6
'93, '95, '97, '99, '01, '03
IWTGBTP (and I will, Lord willing, in 2005)
Steve Unger
T-50, Fort Worth, Texas

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:41:50 -0500
From: Pfeifer Randy-QA4427 <Randy.Pfeifer@motorola.com>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question

Our troop works to get payment well ahead of time from participants so that any financial exposure will be placed on the participants not the troop. We're very clear that the exposure rests on the participants and if/should anyone have to backout, they have an obligation to help find a suitable replacement or forfeit the payments made. With a last minute outage where no replacement is possible, the people withdrawing understand the implication. Seems to work.

Randy Pfeifer
(847) 632-5563

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Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 6:33 PM
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Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question

Our crew had two participants drop the day before we were to depart for Philmont this year for very valid personal reasons, a father and son. We lost every dollar of those fees to Philmont. If we had to do it all over again we would only reserve and pay for seven slots upon making reservations, and show up with the additional heads and pay their additional fees upon arrival. I know this is playing the system and some may feel it not right, but for a troop to forfeit that much money for something that is beyond our control is simply too much to absorb.

Karl Hebert
Troop 39
Cumming, GA

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:35:19 -0500
From: "R Fisher" <ghotier@texas.net>
Subject: Philmont fee schedules - was Pretty basic question

Greetings All,

I have been reading with interest the comments related to posting fees
for Philmont. We are in the initial stages of putting together a group
for 2006 (hopefully - all fingers are crossed). Like many crews from
our area, in the past, we have driven out to the ranch - this is part of
why you see all the Texas license plates in the parking lot. I am
looking at the possibility of flying out to C. Springs or Albuquerque
and spending some time doing other fun things as well as getting
acclimated. For those of you who have done this, how do you handle
these arrangements to maintain maximum flexibility? Do the airlines
work with you to transfer tickets, etc. or do you just take the hit?
Ditto other advance purchase types of arrangements.

Any feedback and/or war stories would be most welcome.

Happy Trails

Roy Fisher

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:08:58 -0500
From: "Scott Calkins" <scalkins4@cox.net>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Philmont fee schedules - was Pretty basic question

Roy,

I am setting up for 2005. For tickets purchased through their group sales
offices, I seem to remember that Southwest Airlines and Continental will
allow name changes on the tickets up to 48 hours prior to the flight. Check
with airline to make sure.

Scott

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Greetings All,

Any feedback and/or war stories would be most welcome.

Happy Trails

Roy Fisher

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