The Phil-list Aug_2004: RE: [Philmont] - philmont Digest

From: Dave Parmly <PARMLYD@pilottravelcenters.com>
Date: Tue Aug 10 2004 - 10:24:36 CDT

Trek #3, and we came out of Ute Meadows through Baldy Town, bushwhacked
up the draw with the stream going down the east side of Baldy, hit the
trail that comes from Copper Park to the southern approach, went south
and came up that way. We heard nothing but horror stories about the
north approach from others out there.

You know what? I bet it really doesn't matter. Each way has a high
suck-factor rating, so embrace the suck and go whatever way your boys
decide.

My .02, FWIW.

Dave Parmly

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Subject: [Philmont] - philmont Digest - V01 #1081

philmont Digest Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:04:33 -0500 V01 #1081

Today's topics:
     'Re: [Philmont]: Approaches to Baldy'
     'Re: [Philmont]: Philmont Fee Schedules'
     'RE: [Philmont] - philmont Digest - V01 #1080'
     'RE: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question'
     'RE: [Philmont] - philmont Digest - V01 #1080'

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:16:50 -0700
From: "Mike Damen" <mike.damen@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Approaches to Baldy

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MessageWe just got back from our trek 28. The northern approach to =
Baldy is much better than the southern approach. I think it is more =
gradual and less loose rocks to climb. We camped at Miranda and hiked =
through Black Horse Canyon to Baldy to French Henry, to Baldy Town and =
back to Miranda.

Mike Damen
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  Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 10:50 AM
  Subject: [Philmont]: Approaches to Baldy

2005 Crew 618-B will begin to look at possible treks in the next =
month, or so. I want the boys to study the sectionals to get an idea =
about what it will take to get in shape for our trek. I thought I would
=
have them look at the approaches to Baldy and Phillips. I was at =
Phillips in 2002 and I think I have a handle on it. But I haven't been
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to Baldy since 1974. How many camps hike Baldy and what are the pro and
=
cons of each approach? That should be an easy question ; )

  YIS
  Scott Calkins
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 06:39:55 -0400
From: "Dr. Bob Klein" <drbob@troop111.org>
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Philmont Fee Schedules

Roy: Back from the Sierras. Some comments:

In my experience, each airline will have their own regs on
substitutions. The maximum flexibility is usually when you are
travelling as a group, when everyone has the exact same travel plans
(that is, that the group stays as a group start to finish), and when
no-one has used frequent flyer miles. The airlines are usually most
flexible when dealing with groups.

On those occasions where we have had to make substitutions past the
deadline, or switch someone's travel plans, there was usually a fee
involved. However, it has not been outrageous - something on the order
of $75. Where things get ugly is when you add new people at the last
minute - that's when you end up paying a full or nearly full fare. This

happened to us once, and the adult involved ended up paying over $900
(negotiated down from over $1200) for Dulles to Denver. Again, this was

an addition, not a substitution. [Note that this may have changed since

9/11.]

As you already know from my diaries, we go through Colorado Springs and
do quite a variety of rather pricey activities in central Colorado,
including horseback riding, whitewater rafting, rock climbing, mountain
biking, Pike's Peak, Royal Gorge, Cave of the Winds, etc. In all cases,

I always try to make the reservations generically, as "Troop 111". If a

name is demanded, I make it "Troop 111/Bob Klein/Other Primary Adult's
Name". To date, none of these activities has ever penalized us for
having either fewer or more people than the original reservation - even
for things like horseback riding or the Cog Railway, where they really
do want pretty solid numbers. But then again, we have never been off
the original reservation numbers by more than one or at worst two, and
unless it's a last second thing (injury or illness preventing
participation in Philmont), I have always notified them (the vendors) in

advance of our arrival. Even 24 hours notice is appreciated.

I can't speak for Albuquerque, but based on my personal experiences, the

folks in Colorado Springs involved in adventure tourism are very
flexible, at least for Scout groups.

- Bob

R Fisher wrote:
> Greetings All,
>
> I have been reading with interest the comments related to posting fees
> for Philmont. We are in the initial stages of putting together a
group
> for 2006 (hopefully - all fingers are crossed). Like many crews from
> our area, in the past, we have driven out to the ranch - this is part
of
> why you see all the Texas license plates in the parking lot. I am
> looking at the possibility of flying out to C. Springs or Albuquerque
> and spending some time doing other fun things as well as getting
> acclimated. For those of you who have done this, how do you handle
> these arrangements to maintain maximum flexibility? Do the airlines
> work with you to transfer tickets, etc. or do you just take the hit?
> Ditto other advance purchase types of arrangements.
>
> Any feedback and/or war stories would be most welcome.
>
> Happy Trails
>
> Roy Fisher
>

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:49:36 -0400
From: "Dave Parmly" <PARMLYD@pilottravelcenters.com>
Subject: RE: [Philmont] - philmont Digest - V01 #1080

Some wandering observations on various topics on this thread.

RE Travel services to Philmont: I was contingent advisor for our group
of 4 crews from Knoxville Tennessee (Contingent 717-N 1-4). We used
"Leading the Way Tours" to coordinate our travel to and from Philmont
and they do an excellent job. They coordinated our flights (which is
tricky with groups that large), had a bus and representative on the
ground at Colorado Springs, took us to lunch, toured the Air Force
Academy and some local sites, arranged for our group to go to the Flying
W dude ranch for dinner, then transport to Philmont the next morning.
Excellent people, a few Phil-vets working for them, they have done this
for a lot of groups and do a great job getting you there, and even
helping prepare your guys for the trek (e.g., at lunch the day we
arrived, everyone gets a "Leading the Way" tours Nalgene bottle and they
start pushing water into the system to help stave off altitude sickness
issues.) If you plan to travel by air, I'd recommend getting a tour
service to help negotiate a good deal, and we feel LTW did an excellent
job. Call Christine Emrick at 866-696-5073 or leadingthewaytours.com.

RE Fees: 12 hours before we went wheels up on our trip to Philmont, my
son slipped on a small bit of water in his bathroom and slammed his foot
into the door. Broke the # 2 toe on his right foot (just next to the
big toe.) Doctor said he can't go to Philmont (Dr's 2 sons were
Phil-vets and so he knew what the deal was.) We saw our investment
going out the window, as we had no stand-bys who could go on such short
notice. Lesson Learned: TRIP INSURANCE! It's out there and we
intended to get it but never got around to it. $75 bucks will cover you
in the event of a cancellation such as someone down below here
described. Google "trip insurance" and you'll get more websites than
you can imagine. I can't recommend one because I never bought it.
Maybe if I had, the "rest of the story" below would be different.

The rest of the story for my son and I is we talked it over and he
decided doctor or not, he wasn't going to lose out on 2 years of work
for some busted landing gear, so he taped it up, popped some Motrin and
drove on. It wasn't a "lost money" decision; He was determined to get
there and git 'r' done. It really wasn't that bad, according to him,
and we just had to sneak through medical re-check and stay mum until the
ranger had departed. He did great and his crew members rallied around
him big time.

RE Caterpillar: I'll have to try this long-legged caterpillar y'all
describe. I can't imagine doing one with such big intervals. We found
the 10 step interval worked great, kept the guys together and talking to
each other on the short halts (encouraging, reminding to drink), and
again our speed wasn't impacted in the least.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 1:02 AM
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Subject: [Philmont] - philmont Digest - V01 #1080

philmont Digest Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:02:14 -0500 V01 #1080

Today's topics:
     'RE: [Philmont]: Catapiller - small group'
     'RE:Caterpillar small groups'
     'RE: [Philmont]: RE:Caterpillar small groups'
     'RE: [Philmont]: Notes on mid-season Trek 32'
     'Putting Your 2004 Philmont Trek Photo Journal on the WWW'
     'RE: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question'
     'Re: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question'
     'RE: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question'
     'Philmont fee schedules - was Pretty basic question'
     'RE: [Philmont]: Philmont fee schedules - was Pretty basic
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:12:39 -0400
From: "Ronald D. Hamlin" <rhamlin@uga.edu>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Catapiller - small group

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I was the advisor for a crew of seven that used the caterpillar with =3D
great
success, both uphill and downhill, this summer. You can use it with any
number of paces that is comfortable to you. We used twenty paces (or =3D
forty
steps) and cruised past many crews struggling up hill. Works great!

Ron Hamlin

ASM Troop 326

Athens, GA

Philmont '04 624-K4

=3D20

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of David Palmer
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 2:14 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: [Philmont]: Catapiller - small group

=3D20

Good Afternoon.

=3D20

I am looking for a "catapiller" technique for a small group - 7 people.
=3D
I
have done it with 12 people, but how do you change the breaks for a =3D
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steps instead of 15 steps?

=3D20

Thanks.

David Palmer

Philmont - 1976, 2003

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done it
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=3D
you
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instead of
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:20:07 -0500
From: "Jonas Jon Cntr AMC/A38IP" <Jon.Jonas@scott.af.mil>
Subject: RE:Caterpillar small groups

In 2002, our crewmembers suggested adjusting the caterpillar to 50 steps
rather than 15. This kept the uphill momentum going and gave everyone a
longer break. Worked great for us! Should also work for smaller
groups, I'd think (though without working out the arithmetic). This
also had the unforeseen benefit of spreading the crew out a bit
more--they (as usual) tended to bunch up nose-to-backpack a couple of
feet apart.

Jon Jonas
Dynamics Research Corporation
AMC/A38IP
618.744.9412 X152

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:48:34 -0400
From: "Dave Parmly" <PARMLYD@pilottravelcenters.com>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: RE:Caterpillar small groups

Jon,

You bring up an excellent positive attribute of the caterpillar:
FLEXIBILITY! We stuck to 10 step intervals for normal grades and when
it pitched higher, we went to 5. However, nothing would keep you from
making it whatever interval you want. We have found, regardless of the
interval, that our route speed of 2,5 mph never varies much, whether
"catting" or not.

Dave Parmly
Advisor, Crew 506
Halls Crossroads, Tennessee
-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Jonas Jon Cntr AMC/A38IP
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 9:20 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: [Philmont]: RE:Caterpillar small groups

Jon Jonas
Dynamics Research Corporation
AMC/A38IP
618.744.9412 X152

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:15:01 -0400
From: "Ched Hudson" <chedhudson@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Notes on mid-season Trek 32

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Larry,

Thanks! Your pictures look a whole lot more interesting than the
pictures we
took on Day 12!! (Blasted weather...)

Question: I'm looking for a way to ease the posting of our pictures on
the
web site. Did you use any particular software or methods to publish your
trek photos?

>Ched Hudson
ASM, Troop 994
Fairfax Station VA
Philmont 67, 04
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  From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com]On
Behalf Of Larry Sims - KBR Elec
  Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 7:38 AM
  To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
  Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Notes on mid-season Trek 32

Ched,

I enjoyed your trip report. If you would like to see the views from
the
ToTRidge see Day 12 of our photo journal at

http://www.troop1288.org/ or

http://www.troop1288.org/crew610c4/crew610c4photojournal.htm

Larry Sims

Philmont 2004 Expedition Coordinator

Troop 1288 Katy, TX

610-C4 2004 Trek #24

IWTGBTP!

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:36:14 -0500
From: "Larry Sims - KBR Elec" <Larry.Sims@halliburton.com>
Subject: Putting Your 2004 Philmont Trek Photo Journal on the WWW

Ched,

If you would like to encourage one or more of your crew members to
generate a photo journal for your troop website, these are the programs
that were used to generate the Crew 610-C4 photo journal.=3D20

The Crew #4 photo journal may be seen at
http://www.troop1288.org/crew610c4/crew610c4photojournal.htm=3D20

Web Album Generator http://www.ornj.net/ was used to generate our photo
journal. I plan to send this guy some money. I like the program and it
uses some pieces of Web Easy.

File Rename for photo Files http://www.1-4a.com/rename/ . File renaming
programs help you make some sense out of your thousands of digital
photos.
=3D20
FTP transfer program http://www.softwarea.com/. A File Transfer Program
moves your web page from your computer to the web server. Your service
provider will have instructions to help you out.

I have Web Easy Professional but have not found it to be user friendly
or very good. I may be a little dense. It is useable I guess. You can
see their adverts at http://www.v-com.com/product/Web_Easy_Pro_Home.html

If the list has good WYSIWYG recommendations, I would be glad to hear
them.

Larry Sims
Philmont 2004 Expedition Coordinator
Troop 1288 Katy, TX=3D20
610-C4 2004 Trek #24
609-A3 2002 Trek #5FM (Fire modified trek)
718-G1 1965 (The Monsoons of '65)
IWTGBTP!

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:32:42 -0400
From: "Karl Hebert" <eagle355@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question

Our crew had two participants drop the day before we were to depart for
Philmont this year for very valid personal reasons, a father and son.
We lost every dollar of those fees to Philmont. If we had to do it all
over again we would only reserve and pay for seven slots upon making
reservations, and show up with the additional heads and pay their
additional fees upon arrival. I know this is playing the system and
some may feel it not right, but for a troop to forfeit that much money
for something that is beyond our control is simply too much to absorb.

Karl Hebert
Troop 39
Cumming, GA

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:33:45 EDT
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Karl,
I hope your troop didn't forfeit the money, I hope the participants did.
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YIP X 6
'93, '95, '97, '99, '01, '03
IWTGBTP (and I will, Lord willing, in 2005)
Steve Unger
T-50, Fort Worth, Texas

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:41:50 -0500=20
From: Pfeifer Randy-QA4427 <Randy.Pfeifer@motorola.com>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question

Our troop works to get payment well ahead of time from participants so
that any financial exposure will be placed on the participants not the
troop. We're very clear that the exposure rests on the participants and
if/should anyone have to backout, they have an obligation to help find a
suitable replacement or forfeit the payments made. With a last minute
outage where no replacement is possible, the people withdrawing
understand the implication. Seems to work.

Randy Pfeifer
(847) 632-5563

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Karl Hebert
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 6:33 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question

Our crew had two participants drop the day before we were to depart for
Philmont this year for very valid personal reasons, a father and son. We
lost every dollar of those fees to Philmont. If we had to do it all
over again we would only reserve and pay for seven slots upon making
reservations, and show up with the additional heads and pay their
additional fees upon arrival. I know this is playing the system and
some may feel it not right, but for a troop to forfeit that much money
for something that is beyond our control is simply too much to absorb.

Karl Hebert
Troop 39
Cumming, GA

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:35:19 -0500
From: "R Fisher" <ghotier@texas.net>
Subject: Philmont fee schedules - was Pretty basic question

Greetings All,

I have been reading with interest the comments related to posting fees
for Philmont. We are in the initial stages of putting together a group
for 2006 (hopefully - all fingers are crossed). Like many crews from
our area, in the past, we have driven out to the ranch - this is part of
why you see all the Texas license plates in the parking lot. I am
looking at the possibility of flying out to C. Springs or Albuquerque
and spending some time doing other fun things as well as getting
acclimated. For those of you who have done this, how do you handle
these arrangements to maintain maximum flexibility? Do the airlines
work with you to transfer tickets, etc. or do you just take the hit?
Ditto other advance purchase types of arrangements. =20

Any feedback and/or war stories would be most welcome.

Happy Trails

Roy Fisher

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:08:58 -0500
From: "Scott Calkins" <scalkins4@cox.net>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Philmont fee schedules - was Pretty basic
question

Roy,

I am setting up for 2005. For tickets purchased through their group
sales
offices, I seem to remember that Southwest Airlines and Continental will
allow name changes on the tickets up to 48 hours prior to the flight.
Check
with airline to make sure.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com]On
Behalf Of R Fisher
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 8:35 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: [Philmont]: Philmont fee schedules - was Pretty basic question

Greetings All,

Any feedback and/or war stories would be most welcome.

Happy Trails

Roy Fisher

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:44:37 -0500
From: "Bob SCHAETTLE" <bschaettle@msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question

I've let our crew members know up front that their money is
non-refundable,
and to make their checks payable to Philmont. Their money never even
gets
into our troop account.
--Bob Schaettle
Rochester, Minnesota

>From: Pfeifer Randy-QA4427 <Randy.Pfeifer@motorola.com>
>Reply-To: philmont@troop47.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list philmont <philmont@troop47.com>
>Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question
>Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:41:50 -0500
>
>Our troop works to get payment well ahead of time from participants so
that
>any financial exposure will be placed on the participants not the
troop.
>We're very clear that the exposure rests on the participants and
if/should
>anyone have to backout, they have an obligation to help find a suitable

>replacement or forfeit the payments made. With a last minute outage
where
>no replacement is possible, the people withdrawing understand the
>implication. Seems to work.
>
>Randy Pfeifer
>(847) 632-5563
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On

>Behalf Of Karl Hebert
>Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 6:33 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
>Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question
>
>
>Our crew had two participants drop the day before we were to depart for

>Philmont this year for very valid personal reasons, a father and son.
We
>lost every dollar of those fees to Philmont. If we had to do it all
over
>again we would only reserve and pay for seven slots upon making
>reservations, and show up with the additional heads and pay their
>additional fees upon arrival. I know this is playing the system and
some
>may feel it not right, but for a troop to forfeit that much money for
>something that is beyond our control is simply too much to absorb.
>
>Karl Hebert
>Troop 39
>Cumming, GA
>
>
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>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:55:16 -0400
From: "Dave Parmly" <PARMLYD@pilottravelcenters.com>
Subject: RE: [Philmont] - philmont Digest - V01 #1080

This is a very long post and I hope folks going to Philmont will find it
=
helpful to them.

Our crew developed a cooking technique last summer on the Appalachian =
Trail that worked very well, and which our Phil-ranger considered one of
=
the most innovative techniques he had ever seen on the trail. He turned
=
it in to the staff on his eval of our crew, but I thought you might =
consider sharing it with y'all also.

One pot cooking has many advantages but some disadvantages as well. At
=
Philmont, our crew noted lots of side items discarded in porch swap =
boxes, like green beans or mashed potatoes that crews had evidently =
decided just would not work mixed with the beef stroganoff, etc. Ergo,
=
food is wasted or the nutritional value of it is lost to the camper. =
Given the limited nature of the diet, we found that consuming everything
=
was helpful to maintain regular, firm bowel movements, including green =
beans, corn, etc. The issue is mixing them in a single pot. Even the =
new, trendy "turkey bag technique", still tends to mix many =
not-normally-together foods in one bag. That can make meal times =
somewhat of a morale suck. I know, some Phil-psychos will probably say
=
"Why come to Philmont then? Suck it up and mix your cheesecake with the
=
stroganoff and be a man about it while carrying a packboard wearing a =
wool sweater and a bearskin sleeping bag." But our intent was to live =
comfortably as possible even in the backwoods, and that means enjoying =
meals. The fact that we use less water and generate no additional trash
=
while avoiding the cleaning of a pot...well, I didn't come to Philmont =
to scrub pots. Sorry, and I hope I don't incur the wrath of "John =
LeBlanc from Beaumont Texas-types" for being a wussy. =20

Our crew's solution is efficient, saves time and water, and is much =
faster to clean up than almost any method we've seen and encourages =
total menu consumption. Here goes the description of the process. For
=
purposes of illustration, I'll use the beef stroganoff dinner that comes
=
with green beans.=20

1. Light the stoves. We put two Coleman stoves side by side in the fire
=
ring and rest the 8 quart pot, filled most of the way to the top, on the
=
stoves and resting against the metal bars that cross the fire ring, for
=
stability. (Two stoves with full bottles lasted all the way to Day 5.
=
We had two spare bottles, and refilled the empty ones on our day 6 food
=
pickup at Baldy Town commissary.) Tightly cover the pot with a lid or =
aluminum foil. We put enough water to do all the dinner re-hydration, =
plus a cup or two of coffee for advisors and some warm water to make the
=
post-meal wash process a little nicer on the hands.=20
2. Get out the dinner bags. Notice that the Phil-bags are heat sealed on
=
one end, and have perforated bottoms on the other end. Turn the bag =
upside down so the end with the holes faces up. Carefully cut along the
=
end with the holes from one side of the bag to the other. Remove the =
contents of the bag and roll the bag down a bit to give it some =
strength. You will usually need two bags to be used for the entr=E9e, =
and one bag for the side items (green beans, etc.). =20
3. Gather small logs or rocks to form a support structure into which the
=
empty bags are placed. The rocks/logs need be big enough only to hold =
the bag upright when the contents are placed inside it. These will be =
the re-hydration bags. Don't build a sacrificial altar. Do not use =
rocks that have been used for urinals. Goes without saying, but my boys
=
told me to tell y'all that. 4. Open the smaller, usually white plastic,
=
bags that holds the main entr=E9e. For example, our delightful beef =
stroganoff. Note the instructions on the bag and in this case we see =
that the recipe says each two diners need 16 oz. of boiling water. Pour
=
three bags of dried stroganoff into each of two of the re-hydration =
bags. Cooks calculate the amount of water needed for each bag. In our
=
example, 3 white pouches of stroganoff that require at 16 oz. per bag =
means a total 48 oz. of hot water spread throughout the two re-hydration
=
bags.=20
5. Pour all of the side items, in this case green beans, into a third =
re-hydration bag. Usually all of the side items (corn, mashed potatoes,
=
beans) fit neatly into one bag. Calculate the amount of water needed to
=
re-hydrate these. For Ramen noodles, we mixed those, broken up, in with
=
the chicken and rice, I believe. There are plenty of big bags that the
=
Ramen could have been a separate, side item.=20
6. Once the pot is in a rolling boil, cooks carefully dip mesh bags with
=
the crew's bowls and spoons into the boiling water to sanitize it, then
=
hang them to dry. The bowls/spoons were washed after last night's meal,
=
air dried and hung near the sump until packing up the following morning.
=
However, they have not been sanitized until immediately prior to the =
meal about to be consumed.=20
7. Once the sanitizing is 100% complete (when in doubt, sanitize) cooks
=
get a small measuring cup (preferably with a spout), gloves and an =
empty, non-smellable Nalgene. Hold the Nalgene with gloved hands as it
=
will get hot. Cooks retrieve the appropriate amount of hot water for =
the recipe, measure it into the Nalgene and pour it into the =
re-hydration bags. Once the right amount is poured, roll the bag shut =
and let it sit for between 5 to 8 minutes in most cases. Stir the =
contents before rolling it shut to avoid pernicious powdery pockets of =
potatoes (P4).=20
8. Cooks use remaining big bags to organize cookies, breadsticks, etc =
into a buffet line, then tell everyone to come sanitize hands, retrieve
=
bowls/spoons and then all say grace. By this time, the contents should
=
be re-hydrated and ready to serve.=20
9. Campers come down the line while cooks portion out food to each. =
Usually seconds were available of everything. The buffet line keeps =
things organized, encourages portion control and gives a nice feel to =
the meal. Our guys liked the perception of choices. Encourage =
everything to be eaten.=20
10. After dinner, once all contents are eaten from the hydration bags,
=
roll them up tightly as part of trash. Beans/corn, etc., usually needed
=
to be sumped because there was always too much water when cooked by the
=
recipe. Use remnants of big pot of boiling water in one pot, add some =
to a smaller second pot then some purified water to make enough warm =
water for dish washing, done per Philmont procedure with green scrubby,
=
etc..=20

I have some pictures that shows our youngsters arranging the bags, etc.
=
which I can send if you e-mail me at "parmlyd@pilottravelcenters.com".

Other than any personal attacks for my not encouraging our boys to be =
miserable Oliver-Twist "How can you have any Philmont if you don't scrub
=
a pot like I did" pot-washers, I am available for questions!

Dave Parmly
2004 717-N1=20
Advisor, Venture Crew 506
Christ UMC, Halls Crossroads, Tennessee
Great Smoky Mountain Council

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From: philmont-request@troop47.com [mailto:philmont-request@troop47.com]
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Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 1:02 AM
To: Philmont
Subject: [Philmont] - philmont Digest - V01 #1080

philmont Digest Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:02:14 -0500 V01 #1080

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:12:39 -0400
From: "Ronald D. Hamlin" <rhamlin@uga.edu>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Catapiller - small group

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Athens, GA

Philmont '04 624-K4

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Good Afternoon.

=3D20

I am looking for a "catapiller" technique for a small group - 7 people.
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David Palmer

Philmont - 1976, 2003

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used the caterpillar with great success, both uphill and downhill, this
=
=3D
summer.
You can use it with any number of paces that is comfortable to you. We =
=3D
used
twenty paces (or forty steps) and cruised past many crews struggling up
=
=3D
hill.
Works great!</span></font></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy =
face=3D3DArial><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ron Hamlin</span></font></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy =
face=3D3DArial><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>ASM Troop 326</span></font></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy =
face=3D3DArial><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Philmont ’04 =3D
624-K4</span></font></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D
face=3D3DTahoma><span
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =3D
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =3D
owner-philmont@troop47.com
[mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] <b><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>David Palmer<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> =
</span></font><font =3D
size=3D3D2 face=3D3DTahoma><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Saturday,
August 07, 2004</span></font><font size=3D3D2 face=3D3DTahoma><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font size=3D3D2 =3D
face=3D3DTahoma><span
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>2:14 =3D
PM</span></font><font size=3D3D2
face=3D3DTahoma><span =
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Multiple recipients
=
=3D
of list
philmont<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Philmont]: =
=3D
Catapiller -
small group</span></font></p>

<div>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D
face=3D3DArial><span
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Good =3D
Afternoon.</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

</div>

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<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D
face=3D3DArial><span
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I am looking for a
"catapiller" technique for a small group - 7 people. I have =
=3D
done it
with 12 people, but how do you change the breaks for a smaller group? Do
=
=3D
you
just take more steps after passing the last person, such as 30 steps =3D
instead of
15 steps?</span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D
face=3D3DArial><span
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks.</span></font></p>

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<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D
face=3D3DArial><span
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>David =3D
Palmer</span></font></p>

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<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D
face=3D3DArial><span
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Philmont - 1976, =3D
2003</span></font></p>

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:20:07 -0500
From: "Jonas Jon Cntr AMC/A38IP" <Jon.Jonas@scott.af.mil>
Subject: RE:Caterpillar small groups

Jon Jonas
Dynamics Research Corporation
AMC/A38IP
618.744.9412 X152

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:48:34 -0400
From: "Dave Parmly" <PARMLYD@pilottravelcenters.com>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: RE:Caterpillar small groups

Jon,

Jon Jonas
Dynamics Research Corporation
AMC/A38IP
618.744.9412 X152

=3D20

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:15:01 -0400
From: "Ched Hudson" <chedhudson@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Notes on mid-season Trek 32

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Larry,

Thanks! Your pictures look a whole lot more interesting than the =
pictures we
took on Day 12!! (Blasted weather...)

Question: I'm looking for a way to ease the posting of our pictures on =
the
web site. Did you use any particular software or methods to publish your
trek photos?

Ched,

I enjoyed your trip report. If you would like to see the views from =
the
ToTRidge see Day 12 of our photo journal at

http://www.troop1288.org/ or

http://www.troop1288.org/crew610c4/crew610c4photojournal.htm

Larry Sims

Philmont 2004 Expedition Coordinator

Troop 1288 Katy, TX

610-C4 2004 Trek #24

IWTGBTP!

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D3D450371017-09082004><FONT face=3D3DGaramond=3D20
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color=3D3D#008000>Question:=3D20
I'm looking for a way to ease the posting of our pictures on the web =3D
site. Did=3D20
you use any particular software or methods to publish your trek=3D20
photos?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D3D450371017-09082004><FONT face=3D3DGaramond =3D
color=3D3D#008000><FONT=3D20
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  Elec<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 03, 2004 7:38 AM<BR><B>To:</B> =
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:36:14 -0500
From: "Larry Sims - KBR Elec" <Larry.Sims@halliburton.com>
Subject: Putting Your 2004 Philmont Trek Photo Journal on the WWW

Ched,

The Crew #4 photo journal may be seen at
http://www.troop1288.org/crew610c4/crew610c4photojournal.htm=3D20

Web Album Generator http://www.ornj.net/ was used to generate our photo
journal. I plan to send this guy some money. I like the program and it
uses some pieces of Web Easy.

If the list has good WYSIWYG recommendations, I would be glad to hear
them.

Larry Sims
Philmont 2004 Expedition Coordinator
Troop 1288 Katy, TX=3D20
610-C4 2004 Trek #24
609-A3 2002 Trek #5FM (Fire modified trek)
718-G1 1965 (The Monsoons of '65)
IWTGBTP!

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:32:42 -0400
From: "Karl Hebert" <eagle355@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question

Karl Hebert
Troop 39
Cumming, GA

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:33:45 EDT
From: SIHIWI@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question

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Karl,
I hope your troop didn't forfeit the money, I hope the participants did.
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$.02.

YIP X 6
'93, '95, '97, '99, '01, '03
IWTGBTP (and I will, Lord willing, in 2005)
Steve Unger
T-50, Fort Worth, Texas

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:41:50 -0500=20
From: Pfeifer Randy-QA4427 <Randy.Pfeifer@motorola.com>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question

Our troop works to get payment well ahead of time from participants so =
that any financial exposure will be placed on the participants not the =
troop. We're very clear that the exposure rests on the participants and
=
if/should anyone have to backout, they have an obligation to help find a
=
suitable replacement or forfeit the payments made. With a last minute
=
outage where no replacement is possible, the people withdrawing =
understand the implication. Seems to work.

Randy Pfeifer
(847) 632-5563

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
=
Behalf Of Karl Hebert
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 6:33 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Pretty basic question

Our crew had two participants drop the day before we were to depart for
=
Philmont this year for very valid personal reasons, a father and son. We
=
lost every dollar of those fees to Philmont. If we had to do it all =
over again we would only reserve and pay for seven slots upon making =
reservations, and show up with the additional heads and pay their =
additional fees upon arrival. I know this is playing the system and =
some may feel it not right, but for a troop to forfeit that much money =
for something that is beyond our control is simply too much to absorb.

Karl Hebert
Troop 39
Cumming, GA

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:35:19 -0500
From: "R Fisher" <ghotier@texas.net>
Subject: Philmont fee schedules - was Pretty basic question

Greetings All,

Any feedback and/or war stories would be most welcome.

Happy Trails

Roy Fisher

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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:08:58 -0500
From: "Scott Calkins" <scalkins4@cox.net>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Philmont fee schedules - was Pretty basic =
question

Roy,

I am setting up for 2005. For tickets purchased through their group =
sales
offices, I seem to remember that Southwest Airlines and Continental will
allow name changes on the tickets up to 48 hours prior to the flight. =
Check
with airline to make sure.

Scott

Greetings All,

Any feedback and/or war stories would be most welcome.

Happy Trails

Roy Fisher

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