RE: [Philmont] - philmont Digest - V01 #1089

Rehydration is the way we went this year at Philmont, as well. However, we
did use turkey bags and "cooked" all the food together in the 1-pot style
our ranger described to us (at least until the chili mac and mashed
potatoes). My recommendation from that point on changed and I would
suggest, in the instances where you receive mashed potatoes, cook them
separately.

Basically our style of cooking required boiling water in one pot, line the
other pot with a turkey bag and put the dry food in it, then pour enough
boiling water into the turkey bag to rehydrate. Twist the top closed and
place a lid on the pot. 8-10 minutes later, all was edible. If you make
the mashed potatoes separately (my recommendation), pull the mail course
turkey bag out of the pot, add new turkey bag and the mashed potatoes, then
water to rehydrate them. The original pot is now empty and you can drop the
main course back down into it to keep it safe from accident.

There are probably a hundred different ways to cook at Philmont, and 1-pot
cooking is great for everything except mashed potatoes. But the key, I
think, is to get to Clark's Fork on the night they serve brownies during
Advisor's Coffee!

Joe
808-L3 Itinerary 24

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Dave Parmly
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:10 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: RE: [Philmont] - philmont Digest - V01 #1089

It seems like Bob's crew came to the same realization we did, i.e
rehydrate-don't cook; they just made numerous smaller servings where we used
the Philmont Phood bags to rehydrate everyone's portions together.
I'm fairly sure one bag rolled up and sitting during rehydration will hold
more heat during the 5-8 minute wait than 12 individual bowls, not to
mention easier to measure one large quantity of water as opposed to numerous
smaller portions. But his point about using less water and no pot to
scrub/minimal sumping is spot on.

Selden Ball hopes to get our Cooking Technique onto his web page, now that I
sent him the detailed instructions and the pictures to go with it.

Dave Parmly
Advisor, Venture Crew 506
Knoxville,, TN
IWTGBTP!
I used to be a Bobwhite SR 424

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:54:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: Bob Moench <rwm@cray.com>
Subject: No clean up cooking

Hi everyone,

We have just returned from Trek 10. I will not provide details of our trek,
since it has been covered nicely several times already.

I've read this list for about a year and saw a number of discussions
regarding ways to cook at Philmont. Turkey bag cooking looked interesting so
we brought some along. We never used them! When we saw what a supper meal is
like, and read the directions, it was immediately apparent that cooking was
unnecessary. All meals are "add boiling water and wait".

We used a two quart and three quart pair of pots and two stoves for a crew
of ten. Once the two pots had boiling water we sterilized our dishes in
them, put the dryed food into our eating bowls (2 to 2.5 cups in size),
added boiling water, waited the prescribed time (usually less) and ate the
food.
People with long tongues licked their bowls clean, others added a bit more
water, mixed the bowl clean and drank the water.

There was one meal that left an oily residue and required more iterations to
appear "clean".

The pots never had any thing in them but water and we had almost no water
waste.

We never used any soap related to meals.

We never used the sump (except for brushing teeth) and never used the
frisbee strainer.

No one argued about an uneven division of food (though people did need to
partner up and divide the ingredients evenly in two).
Individuals could choose their own level of "is it done yet" and their own
level of "soupy versus thick". Some combined several courses into their
bowls at once and added the combined water amounts, others preferred
separate courses.

If I had been packing my own food it would have come from the grocery store
(rather than a freeze dried backpacking outfitter) and would have needed
actual cooking, but at Philmont it just isn't necessary.

Just some food for thought,

Bob

--
Bob Moench (rwm); Troop 446 Eagan MN
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:04:52 -0400
From: "Troop 764" <troop764@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Philmont] - Waiting List
In 2001 (a Jamboree year) the waiting list had 1,206 units. Number 385 was
contacted for a trek.
The 2005 list has 1,457 units. I would guess that anyone over #300 has a
slim chance of being contacted. And, even if contacted, it's not just a
matter of having your number come up, but also your crew being able to go on
the dates you are offerred.
If you are 700+ I would suggest going to Northern Tier.  ;)   They still
have openings for most time periods. Check it out at
http://www.troop764.org/NorthTier/  I personally like Northern Tier the best
of the National High Adventure Bases.
You might also try promoting the heck out of the Jamboree in your council!
Good luck to everyone on the waiting list .
YiS,
Earl Owens
http://www.troop764.org/Philmont/
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:13:57 -0400
From: "Tom Foss" <tomfoss@usa.net>
Subject: RE: [Philmont] - Waiting List
2005 is a Jamboree year, so they often go deeper into  the waitlist than in
'normal' years -- we were at 180 something in 2001, I believe, and got to
go.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Troop 764
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 2:36 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: RE: [Philmont] - Waiting List
As of July 28 Philmont had contacted #90 on the list. I would think they are
over 100 by now.
Earl Owens
http://www.troop764.org/Philmont/
----Original Message Follows----
Behalf Of brent steiner
Subject: [Philmont]: any updates on 2005 wait list
Anyone have any updates on how far into the wait list for 2005 they are now?
    Brent Steiner
    Troop 141
    Mason, MI
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:31:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rice Brewer <hriceb@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: [Philmont] - Waiting List
So I guess that 700+ on the list just ain't gonna make it :(
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:10:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Calvin H. Gray" <405geezer@igg-tx.net>
Subject: RE:  Waiting List
If you are looking for an alternative backpacking adventure near
Philmont, consider the Pecos Packer program run by the South Plains
Council.
http://www.pecospackers.com/
I've heard good things about these backpacking program operated by the
Longs Peak Council.
http://www.longspeakbsa.org/camps/EHAB/
http://www.longspeakbsa.org/camps/CLP/
Perhaps even tougher than Philmont is the Fourteener Challenge, one of
several backpacking options offered by the Rocky Mountain Council's
Packard High Adventure Base.
http://www.rmcbsa.com/camps/packardhighadventurebase/programs/mountain.h
tml
YiS,
-- 
Calvin H. Gray
Scoutmaster, Troop 405
Associate Advisor, Venturing Crew 405
Georgetown, Texas
I used to be an Owl (WM-62-2-98 @ Philmont)
http://www.troop405.org/
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