Re: [Philmont]: Reducing Fuel Load

No one has mentioned the biggest deterent to campfiresat philmont -
scooping up and packing out the ashes can be mess

Joe Tavares wrote:

>For the price of 5 ounces and a can of tomato juice, you can make a pretty
>decent wood-burning stove. As far as the experiential aspect, scouts can
>learn a lightweight backpacking technique that way, but they also have to
>understand that rain happens and when wood gets wet, it won't burn well. So
>toting fuel is still something that is important in an environment like
>Philmont.
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> Joe Tavares
>Richardson, TX
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
>Behalf Of tholland@san.rr.com
>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:22 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
>Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Reducing Fuel Load
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>I like the idea of campfires, but I don't think they significantly reduce
>the fuel load outside the immediate area of the campsite. Campsites cannot
>be a large percentage of the total Philmont acreage. The good side it that
>the campsites themselves will be more protected from wild fires, but it
>won't significantly effect all of Philmont. Just my 2 cents.
>
>Thom Holland
>San Diego, CA
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>Original Message:
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>From: Dr. Bob Klein drbob@troop111.org
>Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:28:30 -0400
>To: philmont@troop47.com
>Subject: [Philmont]: Reducing Fuel Load
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>The upside of campfires is indeed reduced fuel load. The downside is
>further and further walks to go get it, as the season wears on. Prior to
>the wholesale switchover to camp stoves, it was routine for Scouts to wander
>several hundred feet to find firewood, especially at heavily used camps. My
>1970's Crews assigned firewood gathering to half the Crew - it was one of
>THE major tasks at each campsite, and almost the first thing we would start
>doing during camp setup. In those cases where we knew we were getting close
>to our final campsites, those members of the Crew that were able would start
>carrying wood found near the trail, just to reduce the workload after we
>arrived.
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>I am pointing this out not to impress everyone with how tough we were, but
>rather to remind everyone of the now increased risks of wood-gathering far
>afield when we have appreciable numbers of mountain lions on the Ranch. To
>my recollection, mountain lions weren't even thought about in the 70's (John
>L. may have some insights here), and if they were present they were
>certainly scarce. Not any more. I would state that wood gathering out of
>sight from campsites is now unsafe except in groups of four.
>
>- Dr. Bob
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