Re: [Philmont]: Reducing Fuel Load

The Rangers were only requiring removal of pieces if they had not burned totally to ash. All ash could remain in the ring. With the ban on fires since about 7/5 all is moot now.

Mark Zoller
702 I-2 & I-2
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  From: Neil Aring<mailto:aringn@columbus.rr.com>
  To: Multiple recipients of list philmont<mailto:philmont@troop47.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Reducing Fuel Load

  No one has mentioned the biggest deterent to campfiresat philmont -
  scooping up and packing out the ashes can be mess

  Joe Tavares wrote:

>For the price of 5 ounces and a can of tomato juice, you can make a pretty
>decent wood-burning stove. As far as the experiential aspect, scouts can
>learn a lightweight backpacking technique that way, but they also have to
>understand that rain happens and when wood gets wet, it won't burn well. So
>toting fuel is still something that is important in an environment like
>Philmont.
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> Joe Tavares
>Richardson, TX
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>From: owner-philmont@troop47.com<mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com> [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
>Behalf Of tholland@san.rr.com<mailto:tholland@san.rr.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:22 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
>Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Reducing Fuel Load
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>I like the idea of campfires, but I don't think they significantly reduce
>the fuel load outside the immediate area of the campsite. Campsites cannot
>be a large percentage of the total Philmont acreage. The good side it that
>the campsites themselves will be more protected from wild fires, but it
>won't significantly effect all of Philmont. Just my 2 cents.
>
>Thom Holland
>San Diego, CA
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>Original Message:
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>From: Dr. Bob Klein drbob@troop111.org<mailto:drbob@troop111.org>
>Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:28:30 -0400
>To: philmont@troop47.com<mailto:philmont@troop47.com>
>Subject: [Philmont]: Reducing Fuel Load
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>The upside of campfires is indeed reduced fuel load. The downside is
>further and further walks to go get it, as the season wears on. Prior to
>the wholesale switchover to camp stoves, it was routine for Scouts to wander
>several hundred feet to find firewood, especially at heavily used camps. My
>1970's Crews assigned firewood gathering to half the Crew - it was one of
>THE major tasks at each campsite, and almost the first thing we would start
>doing during camp setup. In those cases where we knew we were getting close
>to our final campsites, those members of the Crew that were able would start
>carrying wood found near the trail, just to reduce the workload after we
>arrived.
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>I am pointing this out not to impress everyone with how tough we were, but
>rather to remind everyone of the now increased risks of wood-gathering far
>afield when we have appreciable numbers of mountain lions on the Ranch. To
>my recollection, mountain lions weren't even thought about in the 70's (John
>L. may have some insights here), and if they were present they were
>certainly scarce. Not any more. I would state that wood gathering out of
>sight from campsites is now unsafe except in groups of four.
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>- Dr. Bob
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