RE: [Philmont]: 22 year old advisers

I know several 21 - 22 year olds that would be superior lead advisors to
many older adults that I have worked with in scouting, including some
that have been associate advisors with me on Philmont treks.

Phil Brown

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From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Joe Tavares
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:02 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: 22 year old advisers

At the risk of escalating this again, I never said they couldn't lead, I
believe my comment said those capable were few and far between. I stand
by that. Advisor at 21 or 22, OK; LEAD Advisor? I don't think so. A
few may work out, but I don't want to be on the back end of the one that
doesn't. Too many children (yep, I used the "c" word) to be left to the
responsibility of a 22 year old that was suddenly large and in charge.

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From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Ken Flanagan
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:41 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: [Philmont]: 22 year old advisers

Joe Tavares wrote: I do want to specifically state (and I'm sorry to be
so harsh) that I would, as a parent, NEVER allow my teenage son go on a
Philmont expedition with a 22 year old lead advisor and 2 or 3 advisors
under the age of 21. I don't want to start an argument over that, I
would just as soon not allow him to go given that situation.

Comment: No argument here, but long ago in another day and time in the
dark past of BSA one deep leadership (1974), I was a 22 year old
Philmont Crew adviser. It was my second trip to the Ranch and my first
as an adviser. I was the youngest adviser the Council ever sent out to
Philmont. We were a crew of 15 total (yes, I said 15) with seven boys
from my Troop and seven boys from another troop. The council knew and
trusted me as did the parents. It was an interesting study of rural farm
boys together with a troop where most of the parents were quite well
off. We had a great time with no problems. The boys worked together,
learned from each other and I saw several boys grow up a lot in those 12
days. At least 10 of those 14 young men went on to become Eagle Scouts.
I was also a solo crew adviser in 1980 with 13 boys and myself.

I am a father of two sons age 22 and 23, both Eagle Scouts and 3
Philmont treks each under their belt. I would have no problem with
either of them being an adviser. They are both trusted enough to stand
in front of a school classroom of young people and educate them.

My point: Don't sell a 22 year old short. There are quite a few of them
making life and death decisions about the other young men and women
under their command in a desert country half way around the world right
now.

Ken Flanagan

Philtreks X 10

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