I think you missed the point here. No one is against the pizza at the
welcome center or going to town to eat pizza. The problem comes in where
the crews call in for pizza to be delivered on the trek. I can taste the
pizza now and I was just there last week.
Your pack may vary,
Steve Mac Intyre
615.804.0975
A.S.M. Troop 777 & 342
Hermitage, TN
Philmont Advisor 02-32NFM2, 03-23, 05-32, 06-32, 07-33
----- Original Message -----
From: <mycales@tx.rr.com>
To: "philmont List Member" <philmont@troop47.com>
Cc: "Kevin Mineart" <kjmineart@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 11:37
Subject: [philmont] Pizza and Ice Cream -- was: Last full crew / Backcountry
soda and candy
> All right. I've gotta take up for the pizza eating crews (at least for
> our pizza eating crews). Sometimes you need to see the whole picture
> before you bring down the fire.
>
> We do have a Day 12 post-trek pizza feast. We have Simple Simons deliver
> us a pile of pies to the Welcome Center and we eat right there. In 2005,
> we ate 21 pizzas (4 crews).
>
> Now, we can do this without missing the tours and the lessons because we
> get to the Philmont area 2 or 3 days early. We stop by Philmont a couple
> of days before Day 1 and do our tours (and our shopping) early. We then
> go on to Taos and stay there. The day before we hit Philmont, we day hike
> up in the Taos ski area to further acclimate. For the 2008 trip, the guys
> want to add a day of white water rafting, so mark up another full day of
> acclimation. Arriving to the area this early is an advantage that most
> crews/contingents just can not or will not do.
>
> Having done all of these activities before the trek allows us to be very
> leisurely on Day 12 (coming off the trail). The crew leaders work down
> their base camp check list, the advisors collect the stored valuables and
> the coveted arrowheads, the crews enjoy the snack bar patio, then we
> feast. Advisors say a few words and make a few challenges, then crew
> leaders present their crews with their arrowheads right there so they can
> be worn to the closing campfire.
>
> As a young'un in the 80's, our Scoutmaster set up our Philmont trips in a
> similar way, arriving early to take the tours, and Day 12 dinner was
> cheeseburgers and milkshakes at the Cree-Mee (spelling?). The memories
> are not of the food (we've all had it), but of the fellowship between
> friends and the words spoken and the challenges given at that meal.
>
> So please be a little more open minded about he pizza and ice cream. Some
> of us have tried to teach the values of humility,selflessness,
> philanthropy and vision. We just did it before the trek so the boys would
> have a better understanding of what they were about to experience.
>
> Shane (from work)
>
> ---- Kevin Mineart <kjmineart@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I totally agree. My crew didn't mention the possibility of going for pizza
> or burgers. I did offer them the options of going to town or going to the
> Kit Carson museum on day 13 and while I wasn't aware of a few sightseeing
> options in town, they did pick the museum/tour over going to town for
> tourist stuff and pizza/ice cream. We had already planned on ordering
> Pizza Hut at the train station and that may have also played into their
> decision some. We had enough of our check in complete on Day 1 that we
> went ahead and did a Villa tour mid-morning on Day 2 (our bus to Turkey
> Creek didn't leave until 2 PM.) This is my second trip to Philmont and I
> have yet to 'go to town'. While I realize it's been long standing
> tradition, I have been lucky enough to be with crews that are more
> interested in the history and sights on the ranch than they are to load up
> on pizza in their 'free' time.
>
> Kevin Mineart
> 2007 618-E2 I-11 Lead Advisor
> 2003 802-B3 I-18 Co-Advisor
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Troop 6 Webmaster <troop6webmaster@comcast.net>
> To: philmont List Member <philmont@troop47.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 6, 2007 5:09:37 PM
> Subject: [philmont] Last full crew / Backcountry soda and candy
>
>
> There are already too many crews phoning in simple simons orders and
> taking
> delivery along highway 64 ... ugh.
>
> Look, celebrating accomplishments are fine, in fact essential, and if it's
> candy that floats your crew's boat thats fine too ... but bring it from
> home
> or base camp and like any other food item or smellable, treat it with the
> appropriate level of respect.
>
> Finally, and I know I won't be popular for this one ... 'cause I'm not
> with
> my crews: Simple Simons is great as is the 64 drive-in ... but its just
> burgers and pizza ... hardly a novelty in the real world. I'd rather see
> a
> crew take the time to tour the villa and reflect a little about humility,
> selflessness, philanthropy and vision than to bypass all that for a burger
> or a slice. A fifteen year old left to his own devices isn't likely to
> make
> that choice, but will likely remember it forever ... as this (once) 15
> year
> old did. If you have time for both, knock yourself out, if you don't the
> choice, in my mind, is easy.
>
> I was one that didn't mourn the loss of the town shuttle in '06; but
> applaud
> Mike Pardue and Blue Sky for bringing it back.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
> YIS
> Jim
> HA Chair Chester County Council
> www.troop6bsa.org?cmd=philmont
> PSR '74(16) '04(4) '06(26)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: philmont@troop47.com [mailto:philmont@troop47.com]On Behalf Of
> Dave Smith
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 3:08 PM
> To: philmont List Member
> Subject: [philmont] Last full crew / Backcountry soda and candy
>
>
> What fun is there to roll into base camp on day 12 and head over to the
> trading post for a soda and candy when you've been stuffing yourself all
> trek long? What next, pizza slices for sale at staff camps, to take away
> the fun of hurrying to Simple Simon's?
>
> I carried individual packages of Skittles all trek for Baldy peak. I was
> afraid M&Ms or anything chocolate would melt in base camp. If I had
> known they sold Toblerone, I would have bought it along the way. The
> kids were very thankful for the Skittles.
>
> I agree they should eliminate or restrict the candy (maybe only sell
> candy to advisors). They should keep the root beer, but limit it.
>
> Dave Smith
> Troop 32
> Santa Rosa, CA
>
> GEORGE TAYLOR wrote:
>
>> Jim, I want to elaborate on Larry's toblerone comment. I became an
>> amateur expert on Philmont by reading everything that comes out on
>> this list (the old pros here are really awesome in terms of the depth
>> of advice and soundness of reasoning, and some of them aren't really
>> that old (50's doesn't count)), and one of the suggestions I read
>> early on was that it is good to have something to do to celebrate
>> making it to the top of Baldy. One adviser carried a bag of M&M's to
>> the summit and shared them with the crew. Others have used other
>> candy, all of which has to be purchased at home and hauled a long way.
>>
>> Buying the M&M's was one of those things on my list that didn't get
>> done prior to departure, but when we arrived at Baldytown on our way
>> to the summit, I ran in to the trading post (which actually has all
>> kinds of stuff) and bought two small Toblerone bars for each Scout.
>> When we got to the top, I gave them to the Scouts to celebrate our
>> accomplishment. You would have thought I served them a steak dinner
>> with all the words of thanks, and it really turned out well. My only
>> cautionary note was that I required that one Scout take up and account
>> for every single wrapper so that none were left in pants pockets or
>> backpacks, but I highly recommend a couple of a pieces of chocolate as
>> a good way to acknowledge a significant milestone in your trek.
>>
>> George
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