[Philmont] Internal frame packs

Use the training hikes to find the best packing method, you will sure find
that some works and some don't. I personally am able to carry everything
inside my internal North Face Prophet. what works for one won't work for
all. and one of the biggest goals of training hikes should be finding the
best methods for using the equipment you will use at Philmont. The biggest
piece is the pack itself and how to pack it and have it properly adjusted.
Nothing eats up more time taking down camp then packing the packs itself,
but if each crew member finds the packing method that works for them before
the trip and is able to repeat the process the sooner the group can hit the
trail. Also probably the most unnecessary reason for stopping on the trail
is pack adjustments, get this over with on the training hikes and at camp
headquarters before you hit trail. Make sure everyone knows how to ajust
their own packs and how to use the load levelers and such straps that can be
adjusted while hiking.

On 8/16/07, Michael_J_Conkey@nbc.gov <Michael_J_Conkey@nbc.gov> wrote:
>
> Kevin has hit upon the major drawback to internal frame packs, IMHO. My
> external frame has great tie-down points for my tent, dining fly,
> Thermarest, etc. All the while, preserving the crushable food that I
> place
> in the very top of my large compartment. We had to periodically stop on
> the trail because someone lost a tent or sleeping bag that was just
> slipped
> under the upper flap of their internal frame pack. No matter how tightly
> they pulled down on the straps, it simply compressed their food and
> clothing without really ever getting very tight.
>
> I LOVE my Kelty Ultra-Tioga backpack. I know it is a behemoth of a pack
> at
> 5,600 cubic inches and 6.5 lbs, but everything can easily fit inside. I
> know you ultra-light junkies cringe, but I'm a big guy and a big pack fits
> me just fine and I don't mind the extra pounds. As an advisor, I wanted
> the extra room to carry some of the bulkier gear that I wanted under my
> jurisdiction (like the crew first aid kit, spare roll of AP paper, trail
> treats, etc.) and out of the weather. I also hate crushed crackers, which
> have a tendency to come out of the youth packs. Lastly, when individuals
> were struggling on their "hit the wall" days on the trail, it was easy for
> me to grab some of their gear and stash it in my pack without looking like
> the "Beverly Hillbillies" with stuff dangling off my pack all over the
> place (YOU know you are, Mr. (or Mrs.) 25 straps or carabiners to hold
> everything on your pack!). I can normally fit everything easily inside
> my
> pack, but I did use the small shelf at the bottom for the tent and ground
> pad. I got mine barely-used on eBay for about 1/3 of retail, so it pays
> to
> keep your eyes open.... YIS. Mike Conkey ('76, '02, '04 and '07).
>
> PS-one of the kids on our trek had a brand new Osprey Aether pack. I'm
> not
> a super gear enthusiast, but I guess they actually heat the hip belt and
> fit it to you. He loved his pack and I mean LOVED it. Several of our
> crew
> are now asking Santa to bring them an Osprey Aether for Christmas this
> year....
>
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> We had a lot of problems with guys trying to do this with their tents.
> They
> weren't stable and would tend to slide back and forth unless they
> tightened
> the straps a lot which in turn crushed down all the food that was right
> under the pack. Our guys did much better when we got them to start packing
> the packs in their packs FIRST, against their backs and then packing
> everything else in around the tent. One thing they all forgot about was
> that the top of the pack pulls up and it's really easy to pack a bunch of
> food in the open top of the pack and then extend up the top of the pack to
> cover the food. The side compression straps hold the tent and any other
> 'hard' gear together tight in the main compartment and then the food can
> be
> more gently carried in the top without as much pressure from the top.
>
> Kevin Mineart
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Larry Taylor <Larry.Taylor@co.travis.tx.us>
> To: Philmont List Member <Philmont@troop47.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:36:20 AM
> Subject: [Philmont] Internal frame packs
>
> what make and model is his pack?
> generally the straps that hold on the top (detachable fanny pack) can hold
> down a tent between the top fanny pack and the top of the main bag. My
> thermarest went outside near bottom where the ice pick loops were
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