[Philmont] autumn adventure

Regarding drop off points other than the designated turnarounds, I think you will find that to be a function of how many crews need transportation on a particular day. There are a few camps, such as New Abreu, that are just as accessible as the turnarounds, and there should be no problem. All but two staff camps (Crooked Creek and Black Mountain) are technically "accessible" by vehicle. There's accessible and accessible. Clear Creek, for instance, may be take as long as three hours to reach from base. Don't expect to be dropped off there.

The jeep roads do curve around quite a bit. "Accessible" in the summer, when a vehicle can make a few necessary stops on the way out and a few on the way back is different from the fall when the drop off is the only errand. This is also something to keep in mind for your mid week food drop off. They don't drop you off in buses, it's Suburbans. And you may need their help setting up vehicles at the end of the trek, which also burns time and gas. Try and make it as easy as possible on the staff and you shouldn't have a problem. It's common sense more than hard and fast rule.

I've heard of AA groups being dropped off at Beaubien or Fish Camp, but again, you have to check and it may depend on how many groups that day. I've always had my food pickup at Phillips Junction. Clear Creek was ruled out for that (darn).

In the south, I would expect no problem, in addition to the Zastrow turnaround, with Zastrow, New Abreu, or Olympia. Stockade or even Lover's Leap or Miner's Park, rather than the Lover's Leap turnaround. Cimmaroncito or Hunting Lodge rather than the Cito turnaround. Six Mile gate rather than Ponil. Somewhere along Route 64 shouldn't be a problem, either. But you have to check.

Also keep in mind that AA groups need not choose their itinerary in advance, so the staff may not know the transportation needs of each crew until they arrive at the Ranch. That's one reason they like to keep it as simple as possible in published format.

The staff driving the cars are the same staff as serve as the guides, so if your group is taking away one or more guides, that's one or more less drivers they have for transport.

There is a staff member designated as the AA coordinator towards the end of August, when the summer program winds down. He or she will probably contact you by phone if you've already signed up. He or she is always available for questions, as the coordinator does not serve as a guide (although he or she can and does serve as a driver). Just call the Ranch.

Hope this helps.

Bill Sheehan, ASM
Troop 55, Pitman, NJ
Philmont '70,'8\72, Autumn Adventure '01,'03,'05,'07

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Received on Thu Aug 16 18:48:06 2007