[Philmont] autumn adventure

I haven't paid real close attention in the past, but this year's application
is emphatic that drop offs will be at specified turnarounds only due to an
increase in the popularity of the program.

This could be flexible, or not ... used to be that you could change
campsites on HA treks at logistics .... that hasn't been the case in recent
years ... I'll let the experienced AAers weigh in.

Right now PhilSearch's AA trek builder starts you at one of the approved
turnarounds ... but you can always poick your starting point and delete the
turnaround.

Jim
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  Regarding drop off points other than the designated turnarounds, I think
you will find that to be a function of how many crews need transportation on
a particular day. There are a few camps, such as New Abreu, that are just as
accessible as the turnarounds, and there should be no problem. All but two
staff camps (Crooked Creek and Black Mountain) are technically "accessible"
by vehicle. There's accessible and accessible. Clear Creek, for instance,
may be take as long as three hours to reach from base. Don't expect to be
dropped off there.

  The jeep roads do curve around quite a bit. "Accessible" in the summer,
when a vehicle can make a few necessary stops on the way out and a few on
the way back is different from the fall when the drop off is the only
errand. This is also something to keep in mind for your mid week food drop
off. They don't drop you off in buses, it's Suburbans. And you may need
their help setting up vehicles at the end of the trek, which also burns time
and gas. Try and make it as easy as possible on the staff and you shouldn't
have a problem. It's common sense more than hard and fast rule.

  I've heard of AA groups being dropped off at Beaubien or Fish Camp, but
again, you have to check and it may depend on how many groups that day. I've
always had my food pickup at Phillips Junction. Clear Creek was ruled out
for that (darn).

  In the south, I would expect no problem, in addition to the Zastrow
turnaround, with Zastrow, New Abreu, or Olympia. Stockade or even Lover's
Leap or Miner's Park, rather than the Lover's Leap turnaround. Cimmaroncito
or Hunting Lodge rather than the Cito turnaround. Six Mile gate rather than
Ponil. Somewhere along Route 64 shouldn't be a problem, either. But you have
to check.

  Also keep in mind that AA groups need not choose their itinerary in
advance, so the staff may not know the transportation needs of each crew
until they arrive at the Ranch. That's one reason they like to keep it as
simple as possible in published format.

  The staff driving the cars are the same staff as serve as the guides, so
if your group is taking away one or more guides, that's one or more less
drivers they have for transport.

  There is a staff member designated as the AA coordinator towards the end
of August, when the summer program winds down. He or she will probably
contact you by phone if you've already signed up. He or she is always
available for questions, as the coordinator does not serve as a guide
(although he or she can and does serve as a driver). Just call the Ranch.

  Hope this helps.

  Bill Sheehan, ASM
  Troop 55, Pitman, NJ
  Philmont '70,'8\72, Autumn Adventure '01,'03,'05,'07

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