From: Greg Leuch (philmont@adventures.port5.com)
Date: Sun Dec 01 2002 - 17:21:22 CST
Bad idea. The less tents you have, the less cramped your camping space will be. Some camps have a huge area per campsite, while others are very cramped. The less tents the better. And general rule (and Philmont rule also!) is that youths should double up, except if one youth gets "left out" (which happened to me). And Mr. LeBlanc's idea for a 3-4 man tent is a great idea too. A couple of times on my 2000 trek we'd fit 7 of us youth into a 4 man to play cards or tell stories or something.
Now adults are a different story. So you will have to get advice from one of the adults on this list for the specifics. But as to youth, expect them to double up.
Greg Leuch
Crew 35 - Memphis, TN - Chickasaw Council
Eagle Scout - 2001
PSR: 727-P1-00; 618-G1-01; Staff in '03?
email: philmont@adventures.port5.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: Diane Mikulis
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 4:54 PM
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Tentage: Weight per person
What about use of one-person tents? We have several scouts who prefer to tent alone during our training treks. Aside from carrying a heavier load, are there any problems with using them at Philmont? It might mean that a crew of 12 has 8 tents rather than 6.
Diane Mikulis
Troop 757, Glenwood, MD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com]On Behalf Of Johnlebl@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 3:52 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: [Philmont]: Tentage: Weight per person
The mindset for PhilTents is two person tents.
This is partially because Philmont furnishes 2 person tents and partially because most think smaller is lighter.
Philmont also discourages larger tents in that the footprint is larger and supposedly more difficult to find a suitable tent spot large enough to set them up.
Never mind the first above. It's just from not thinking outside the box.
On the second thought above, last July we never had difficulty finding a place for the 4 person tent our crew carried.
The four girls on trek carried a 4 perrson Eureka Timberline tent. Total tent, fly, pole and stake weight was 8 pounds. Divided by 4 people, this amounts to 2 lbs each.
Yeah, yeah you say that four people in it is a little snug. Well, you aren't staying in the Hilton, but it will be the Hilton of tents on the trail and the lightest one per person probably too.
When it rained, those ladys had the one place everyone else envied. There was a LOT of room in it for card games, bull shooting and all else that occupies tents in rainy weather.
It's almost impossible to find tentage in any form or fashion that is less than 2 lbs per person. And this in a tent that sells for $139.95 new. That is $35.00 per person tent cost and you still have the tent when the trek is over.
My point is not to suggest this is the ideal tent, but to suggest that you think outside the box. Look to wisdom other than the conventional. Things other than what is recommended by others often meets your needs better.
Do keep in mind that if it is the finest thing since sliced bread, somebody has surely tried it before.
John LeBlanc
Eagle Class of 1959
Phirst Phil Ptrek 1959
PhilTrek 2002 630H2 Trek 16
My latest adventure was yesterday,
Today is not over yet!
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