From: David F. Ball (y2kdave@prodigy.net)
Date: Mon Dec 02 2002 - 19:50:30 CST
Like it or not some of us need to maximize every opportunity for sleep for
health reasons. For me that means I have to be selfish and not be a team
player and tent alone; not necessarially by choice.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Signe Rogers" <HikinGrammy@iGlide.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont" <philmont@troop47.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 6:38 PM
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Tentage: Weight per person
Upon many an occasion at Philmont it has been a challenge to find enough
level ground to set up tents for a full crew when we were all 2 per
tent. I can't imagine trying add more tents to that mix. In some
places it probably means tents would be set up where they shouldn't be.
While tenting by oneself is roomier, and you don't have to share, or be
concerned about another's snoring (but hey, tents are close enough at
Philmont that any crew member's snoring is shared by all), but I find
myself wondering about the teamwork aspect of a crew than has
individuals who want to do anything alone. A Philmont crew is very much
about sharing and teamwork, and not about individualism or selfishness
in any aspect.
Signe Rogers
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Diane Mikulis
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 4:55 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Tentage: Weight per person
What about use of one-person tents? We have several scouts who prefer to
tent alone during our training treks. Aside from carrying a heavier
load, are there any problems with using them at Philmont? It might mean
that a crew of 12 has 8 tents rather than 6.
Diane Mikulis
Troop 757, Glenwood, MD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com]On
Behalf Of Johnlebl@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 3:52 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: [Philmont]: Tentage: Weight per person
The mindset for PhilTents is two person tents.
This is partially because Philmont furnishes 2 person tents and
partially because most think smaller is lighter.
Philmont also discourages larger tents in that the footprint is larger
and supposedly more difficult to find a suitable tent spot large enough
to set them up.
Never mind the first above. It's just from not thinking outside the
box.
On the second thought above, last July we never had difficulty finding a
place for the 4 person tent our crew carried.
The four girls on trek carried a 4 perrson Eureka Timberline tent.
Total tent, fly, pole and stake weight was 8 pounds. Divided by 4
people, this amounts to 2 lbs each.
Yeah, yeah you say that four people in it is a little snug. Well, you
aren't staying in the Hilton, but it will be the Hilton of tents on the
trail and the lightest one per person probably too.
When it rained, those ladys had the one place everyone else envied.
There was a LOT of room in it for card games, bull shooting and all else
that occupies tents in rainy weather.
It's almost impossible to find tentage in any form or fashion that is
less than 2 lbs per person. And this in a tent that sells for $139.95
new. That is $35.00 per person tent cost and you still have the tent
when the trek is over.
My point is not to suggest this is the ideal tent, but to suggest that
you think outside the box. Look to wisdom other than the conventional.
Things other than what is recommended by others often meets your needs
better.
Do keep in mind that if it is the finest thing since sliced bread,
somebody has surely tried it before.
John LeBlanc
Eagle Class of 1959
Phirst Phil Ptrek 1959
PhilTrek 2002 630H2 Trek 16
My latest adventure was yesterday,
Today is not over yet!
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