From: Calvin H. Gray (405geezer@igg-tx.net)
Date: Sat Dec 07 2002 - 11:05:46 CST
Chris Summers wrote:
I think that the rules are up to those who are in charge at the time!
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That's been my experience traveling around to different summer camps and
high adventure bases. Even at Philmont.
I participated in a Philmont Kanik adventure in March. One of our crew
members was a 19 year old registered as an Assistant SM with our troop.
He is also registered with a Venturing Crew in Austin. When I asked the
"tenting question" I was told he could tent with two other youth crew
members (not registered in Venturing) since he was registered with a
Venturing Crew and is considered a youth member in that program. So the
young man wound up tenting with a 17 year old Scout and a 16 year old
Scout.
Now, will Philmont allow a similar arrangement during the summer? From
what I've been reading during the last few days as we've discussed this
thread, probably not. But you really never know.
Whenever the "18 year old" thread appears here or over on SCOUTS-L, I
always think of Pogo when he said, "We have met the enemy and he is us."
Consider this scenario with a parent having three sons registered in a
troop, ages 12, 17 & 18. The parent asks the Scoutmaster several
questions about tenting arrangements and showering facilities at summer
camp.
Parent: Can the 12 year old tent with his 17 year old brother?
SM: Yes.
Parent: Can the 12 year old tent with his 18 year old brother?
SM: No, but he might be able to do so if you sign a legal document
making the 18 year old the 12 year old's guardian during the week.
Parent (with strange look on his face): Okay, I'll consider that.
Parent: Can the 17 year old tent with his 18 year old brother?
SM: No, but we can try the guardian thing again.
Parent: But they share a room at home.
SM: They can't do that at Scout camp.
Parent (with an even stranger look on his face): Okay, let's move on.
SM: Fine.
Parent: Well, with whom can the 18 year old tent?
SM: Any other adult leader.
Parent: You mean my 18 year son can't tent with his 17 year old brother
but he can tent with a 45 year old adult?
SM: That's right.
Parent (after shaking head several times): Okay, one other question
about tenting.
SM: Okay.
Parent: The 17 year old turns 18 on Friday; what happens then?
SM: Then, he'll have to move into a tent with an adult.
Parent: How about with his older brother?
SM: Fine.
Parent: So, if the 17 year old starts out tenting with his 12 year old
brother, he will have to move in with his 18 year old brother or another
adult on Friday?
SM: Correct.
Parent: Okay, let me think about this for a few days. I believe I
understand but I'll let you know if I have additional questions. Can we
move on to showering arrangements?
SM (with great anticipation): By all means.
Parent: Can the 12 year old shower with his 17 year old brother?
SM: Yes.
Parent: Can the 12 year old shower with his 18 year old brother?
SM: No.
Parent: How about if we do the guardian thing?
SM (after thinking a bit): No, I don't think so.
Parent: Can the 12 year old shower with his 17 year old brother and
other 17 year old boys in the troop?
SM: Yes.
Parent: But he can't shower with his 18 year old brother?
SM: That's correct.
Parent: Can the 17 year old shower with his 18 year old brother?
SM: No.
Parent: If we do the guardian thing?
SM: No.
Parent: But they go to church camp and shower together there; why not
Scout camp?
SM: Can't do it at Scout camp; BSA Youth Protection rules.
Parent: But they are on the same baseball team at school and they shower
together after each practice and game.
SM: Can't do it at Scout camp; BSA Youth Protection rules.
Parent: So, whom can the 18 year old shower with?
SM: Any other male camper at least age 18.
Parent: Even you?
SM: Yes.
Parent: And other 45 year old adult males?
SM: Yes.
Parent: I think I'll save some time and not ask about the showering
arrangements for Friday after the 17 year old turns 18.
SM: Thanks!
Parent (while walking away and muttering): Thanks for the info, I
believe my 17 and 18 year old sons will forget about summer camp with
the troop and go to summer camp with their Venturing Crew. He turns
around and asks the Scoutmaster, "Do you know if Venturing has similar
rules on tenting and shower arrangements?"
SM (while running away): Aaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeee!
YiS,
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