From: Allen Corzine (a_sly_fox@msn.com)
Date: Fri Dec 13 2002 - 10:17:11 CST
Dewy Hemphill wrote:
>In any event, thanks for your vigor and your willingness to share what you
>have
>learned. I have finally reached a point in life where I am happy to learn
>from
>others' experiences, rather than learn the hard way.
There are only a few ways to learn:
thru personal experience
or
from the experiences of others, whether told about them or reading
about them
somethings you don't want to learn about personnally:
"I wonder what could happen if I sneak a candy bar into my tent in the back
country after seeing bear sign?"
the possible consequences are too high
This is why I like lists like this.
FIS
allen
cub master Pack 59 Topeka Kansas
just a sly fox, and remember, my opinion and $ will buy coffee at the
trading post
>From: Dewey Hemphill <dewrayh@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: philmont@troop47.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list philmont <philmont@troop47.com>
>Subject: Re: [Philmont]: hydration packs
>Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:53:55 -0800 (PST)
>
>Ouch, John! Where was your vigorous objection when the initial author of
>this
>observation posted it a few weeks ago?:)
>
>In any event, thanks for your vigor and your willingness to share what you
>have
>learned. I have finally reached a point in life where I am happy to learn
>from
>others' experiences, rather than learn the hard way.
>
>Based on what you, and others, have said on the subject the pack is clearly
>a
>reasonable addition to my pack weight, and that of my son's...and Camelback
>is
>what I will go after.
>
>Dewey Hemphill, ASM
>Troop 276, Memphis, TN
>Philmont 2003 (First timer)
>
>--- Johnlebl@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Based on earlier postings it seems the larger issue is the scouts
>staying
> > > hydrated. With the Nalgene bottles the advisors are able to gauge how
>much
> > > they are drinking at rest stops, etc. With the hydration packs it is
>much
> > > harder to know, especially if they are not clearly visible to the
>advisors.
> > >
> > > Bottles seem the better of the two, especially when monitoring water
>intake
> >
> > > can
> > > prevent dehydration from developing.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I totally disagree with this.
> >
> > In concept it is correct. In parcticality use it is not.
> >
> > With a bottle, one usually, but not always, has to stop, take out the
>bottle,
> >
> > unscrew the cap, take a drink---again usually when stopped walking---
>start
> > walking, screw on the cap, put up the bottle. Then it is repeated.
>That is
> > a lot of work for a little slug of water. So they tend to wait a little
> > longer until they REALLY need a drink. By then they are already
>startign to
> > become dehydrated, even so slightly.
> >
> > In contrast, with a hydration bladder, the hose is clipped near the
>mouth and
> >
> > if you use a quality bite valve, you merely lean your mouth a few
>centimeters
> >
> > toward the bite valve and nibble it slightly for a gush of fresh, cool
>water
> > all the while not even breaking stride.
> >
> > My observation was crew members using hydration bladders drank more
>water
> > easier than those using bottles. Two advisors used only bottles adn
>called
> > for water breaks often. Most using bladders just stood there resting
>while
> > the bottlers guzzled.
> >
> > When one advisor suggested one young lady drink some water, she replied
>"I've
> >
> > been drinking water the whole time you have been huffing adn puffing and
> > sayint you needed a water break" which was for about fifteen minutes
>before
> > he finally stipped.
> >
> > In this case, the youth had her act together a lot better than the
>advisor.
> > I'll not mention her name, but if I should, you would just howl.
> >
> > Yes, it is difficult to see how much one drinks from a bladder, but
>drink
> > they will. Wefound that when it was made so simple, so easy that the
>youth
> > self monitored quite well.
> >
> > In this case it would do the adults well to follow suit.
> >
> > Thus they learned to be responsible for their own actions and not be
>babied.
> >
> > Which is better? You decide, but I already know. It's a learning
> > experience.
> >
> > And if you as an advisor can't monitor water consumption from a bladder,
>then
> >
> > you need to turn in your Scout badge.
> >
> > Oh my gracious, did I really say that? Yes I did! With a genuine smile
>on
> > my face.
> >
> > Don't hold them back, let them grow. Help them grow.
> >
> > One of the oldest teaching precepts is "when kids are doing it right,
>stay
> > the hell out of their way and let them do it".
> >
> > Think outside of the box and make it work. Both you and the youth will
>be
> > better off for it.
> >
> > John LeBlanc
> > Eagle Class of 1959
> > Phirst Phil Ptrek 1959
> > PhilTrek 2002 630H2 Trek 16
> > My latest adventure was yesterday,
> > Today is not over yet!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>=====
>DH
>mailto:dewrayh@yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>
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