Re: [Philmont]: Philmont Training Materials -- Packing Light

In the super light category, internal frame is lighter than external frame.

James H. Moss

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald S. Roberts" <don@hummellawfirm.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont" <philmont@troop47.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:19 PM
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Philmont Training Materials -- Packing Light

> > From: kbarley6
> > If my failing memory serves me, you are a "go light" aficionado.
> > Many of my Crew Advisors want to head in that direction this trip.
> > Do you have any resources to share for a training session?
> >
> I'm not Dr. Bob, but I'll butt in anyway :-)
> Some general thoughts:
> Down is lighter than synthetic.
> Frameless is lighter than frame
> External frame is lighter than Internal frame
> Sharing gear is the best way to lighten the load
> Some solid fuel stoves are lighter (with fuel) than some liquid fuel
stoves
> (but not for Philmont, you'd have to carry fuel for all ten days without
> resupplying)
> Some things are considered optional by ultralight enthusiasts that the
rest
> of us would not consider doing without or using:
> Rainfly (but a waterproof single wall instead
> Tent without poles (use branches/trekking poles, a-frame, I dunno, we
> called 'em tube tents when I was a scout :-) and without floors) or no
tent,
> sleep under the tarp.
> ground cloth
> Underwear
> thermarest (closed cell appears to be acceptable to the ultralightheads)
> ten essentials
> boots (use trail shoes instead - drops a couple pounds)
>
> Now, I use a tent with a rainfly and its own poles. I use a ground cloth,
> thermarest and I bring underwear. I use an internal frame backpack and a
> white gas stove (unless I'm forced otherwise). If you follow all the
above
> ultralight stuff, your gear and high tech clothes, minus food and water,
can
> weigh in at about eight pounds. My gear weighs about 20 pounds (synthetic
> bag, too cheap for down)
>
> Ultralight only has a few items where you replace something heavy with
> something light (basically pack, tent, bag, pad), otherwise you do without
> something.
>
> I just came back from a rim to rim to rim in the Grand Canyon over
> THanksgiving week (two nights). My pack, with winter gear (0 F), food and
> water, weighed in at 32 pounds. My son carried the tent and his pack
> weighed in at 35 pounds. IT was just the two of us. We are by no means
> ultralight weight, but you can keep things down. he hiked in sneakers, I
in
> boots, so we ended up about the same.
>
> I can't imagine a pack for Philmont weighing more than 40 pounds fully
> loaded. Yet I see people on this list claiming 50-55 pounds for their
pack.
> It comes down to load tolerance. My knees start to hurt when my pack
weighs
> 45 pounds, so I have to keep it below that or I have a miserable week.
>
> Regards
> Don Roberts
> ASM T1201, CA C1202
> Fullerton CA
> Powderhorn DPC 2003
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