RE: [Philmont]: Back On Topic: Stoves

Just noticed the Primus Himalaya on sale at REI-Outlet for 74.93
http://www.rei.com/outlet/product/47882062.htm <http://www.rei.com/outlet/product/47882062.htm> ?
 
 

Randy Pfeifer

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From: owner-Philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-Philmont@troop47.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ferenz
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 3:22 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list Philmont
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Back On Topic: Stoves

Cute but heavy stove. I worry about something with a neoprene sleve and webbing handle above the burner. Last time I checked any issues with burners and the flames rise.
 
The other thing to keep in mind is that $79 later you have a stove that can only heat 1-2 cups of water at a time. Even their marketing literature sells it as a personal cooking system. I'd save $10 and buy the MSR Windpro or spend the $79 on the Primus Himalaya that will at least boil a qt or two of water at time. The Himalaya will also run either white gas or canister fuels.
 
Jim Ferenz

Rice Brewer <hriceb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

You, of course, are correct.
 
Back on topic: Anybody going to use the new JetBoil stoves this summer?
 
-Rice Brewer

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From: owner-Philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-Philmont@troop47.com] On Behalf Of Jim Stouffer
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 1:09 PM
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Subject: RE: [Philmont]: BSA government problems

How did this get on the Philmont list? I'm just looking for ideas on tents and stoves. I'll save the theology for another time.
 
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>>> Bailey.Jerry@med.va.gov 12/13/2004 12:40:27 PM >>>

Amen brother Scouter! Scouting is the best - positive youth group in the world - we just have to get the word out better! YiS: Jerry D Bailey

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In a message dated 12/13/2004 5:46:49 A.M. Alaskan Standard Time, hriceb@sbcglobal.net writes:

I do think by adding MY, we clarify what is believed to be the
official stance - belief in a higher power as that is the litmus test
per BSA.

I don't know if adding "My" to the Scout Oath would be proper. As it stands now, the wording implies God in the most generic terms. By adding "My" I think it would have the possibility of being more divisive. Scout A says "My God is better than your God." :>)

In reality, I believe that what is really needed is for the BSA to become better at handling the attacks on Scouting. We have too often taken the Ostrich in the sand approach to negative PR. Greg Shields, who is/was the official national spokesman, was always way to passive in his dealings with the press.

When the BSA gets slammed by the ACLU and all of the other anti-BSA folks we need someone who can carry the battle to them. I hate when we fail to respond in a strong way. By doing so, we seem to giving in to them and letting them come of as the people with the correct point of view.

We seem to have forgotten part of the explanation of the Scout Law related to obedient; "if he thinks those laws are wrong he works to change them." If we think that those who oppose the BSA are wrong, we need to work to change the perception the general public receives. Let's face it, in today's society what the public sees in 30 and 60 second sound bites are what they remember.

Just as the attacks of 9/11 woke our country up to the fact that there were those who were at war with the United States, it is time for the BSA to realize that there are those who are at war with us and they will not rest until our grand organization has been relegated to the scrap heap of history.

Just my personal opinions, your opinions and mileage will vary.

Alex in Alaska

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