Re: [Philmont]: Turkey Bags

We used both the traditional method and the turkey bag method. We had great
success with both but more success with the turkey bag. It turns your
cooked meals into a "boil-a-bag" meal. After the food is done, you can use
the water you used for cooking the turkey bag for hot drinks or cleanup
(bowls,cups and utensils). You only use one pot if you want. Using two
gives you more hot water. Our ranger was sold and the other advisor who had
been to Philmont 4 times prior became an advocate. Less time-less mess.
That was our experience.

Russ Garrett
Bullivant|Houser|Bailey PC
805 Broadway Street, Suite 400
Vancouver, WA 98660-3310
mailto:russ.garrett@bullivant.com
direct dial: 360.737.3363 - fax: 360.695.8504
http://www.bullivant.com
Seattle . Vancouver . Portland . Sacramento . San Francisco . Irvine

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-----Original Message-----
From: Troop 6 Scoutmaster <troop6scoutmaster@comcast.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list Philmont <Philmont@troop47.com>
Sent: Mon Dec 13 19:29:03 2004
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Turkey Bags

I know, I did it, I'm sorry....
 
The short of it is that turkey bags, a high temperature tolerant plastic
bag, can be used to line a pot (water in the pot, water in the bag with your
food) and therefore avoid cleanup. Problem is that they can be broken
during cooking creating a bigger mess than the one you tried to avoid and
potentially ruining dinner; up side, besides cleanup, is that using multiple
bags you can cook multiple courses in a single pot of boiling water.
 
Anyway, we used them on some shakedowns and took them on the trail. Some of
our cooks used them in the early days, but we abandoned them when we
discovered that you eat everything and you sump the rest, human or otherwise
... cleanup just wasn't that bad and the hassle of the bags was worse.
 
Our ranger wasn't a fan, his argument being one of garbage - the bag itself
and the ease of not finishing all you cooked.
 
That said, try them yourself and form your own opinion.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-Philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-Philmont@troop47.com]On
Behalf Of Pete Swiggum
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 9:10 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list Philmont
Subject: [Philmont]: Turkey Bags

Could someone elaborate on how turkey bags are used at Philmont? I've seen
several posts referencing them, some saying they were happy with them,
others saying they didn't like them.
 
How are they used and what determines their success on the trail?
 
Thanks in advance...
 
Pete Swiggum
Troop 1173
Green Bay, WI
Philmont - July 2005
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Tavares
To: Multiple recipients of list Philmont
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 7:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Back On Topic: Stoves

We used a Dragonfly, a Whisperlite and a Simmerlite. Between the two, the
Dragonfly was faster to boil and used the fuel more efficiently, the
Whisperlite was the most reliable (it would light anywhere) and the
Simmerlite could have used a little improvement in both areas but was not
bad either. The Dragonfly, other that being a blowtorch, was a very stable
stove. We also used Turkey bags and were very happy with the results.
 
Joe Tavares
Troop 728
Richardson, TX

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From: owner-Philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-Philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Garrett, Russ
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 6:11 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list Philmont
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Back On Topic: Stoves

we used Dragonflys last summer. our crew took 2 stoves and 3 standard fuel
bottles full. We didn't use all of the fuel. We used the turkey bag
approach on shakedowns on and off. The crew voted for them at Philmont and
the crew was very pleased with the decision.
 
The benefit of the Dragonfly stove could be that it has a wide base for
setting the pots on. The larger the pot, but nicer it is that the base is
wider. drawback is that it's a little more bulky but not bad when you
consider only two for 12 people.
 

Russ Garrett

Bullivant|Houser|Bailey PC

805 Broadway Street, Suite 400

Vancouver, WA 98660-3310

mailto:russ.garrett@bullivant.com

direct dial: 360.737.3363 - fax: 360.695.8504

http://www.bullivant.com

Seattle . Vancouver . Portland . Sacramento . San Francisco . Irvine . Las
Vegas

-----Original Message-----
From: Troop 6 Scoutmaster [mailto:troop6scoutmaster@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:59 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list Philmont
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Back On Topic: Stoves

We used MSR Whisperlites last year ... less expensive than the Simmerlite
and you really don't do much simmering at Philmont ... its really all about
boiling water ... period. Also, in anticipation of the next question - Had
two crews of 12, each arrived at the ranch with 4 22oz fuel bottles, three
stoves and a repair kit. Hit the trail with two stoves and three bottles,
left a bottle, stove and repair kit in basecamp ... One stove was a spare as
we only used one except for one night when we used both. Had plenty of fuel
and it was cheap (.04 per oz) in base camp and on the trail. Tried the
turkey bag thing with mixed results but I'll leave that to another thread.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-Philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-Philmont@troop47.com]On
Behalf Of Gbeaglegolf@aol.com
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 5:01 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list Philmont
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Back On Topic: Stoves

We used MSR Simmerlite last year and would recommend these. Light 8 oz. and
boils a 6 qt. pot in less than 3 minutes. White gas is available at the
trading posts on the ranch so you can refill your bottles and not have to
carry a full trek supply from base.
Garry Black
Troop 718
Dallas, TX

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