RE: [Philmont]: Philmont Leather belts, TOT brass buckle, and Arrowhead patch

I have BOTH the 1999 buckle and the Brass one now sold. There IS a
difference. The 1999 version almost looked PLASTIC and was smaller.

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Kim Pigorsch
Membership Chairmun (sic)
and Eagle Scout Advisor

Troop 681

San Diego, CA

>From: "John Wisinger" <jwisinger@invocon.com>
>Reply-To: philmont@troop47.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list philmont <philmont@troop47.com>
>Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Philmont Leather belts, TOT brass buckle, and
>Arrowhead patch
>Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:33:05 -0600
>
>I would agree with the other people posting that contacting
>the Tooth of Time Traders (Trading Post) at Philmont is the
>best way to find out about different belt options. However,
>I'll answer your questions on the differences.
>
>The "Traditional Philmont hand-stamped leather belt" which
>is "made by the Bowen family" is the belt that everyone at
>Philmont is used to seeing. Actually, there have been a
>handful of different patterns through the years, but they
>are all made by the same people using a large leather
>stamping press.
>
>The "hand-tooled" belt made "made by a local Cimarron saddle
>maker" is (as it says) actually hand carved in the leather
>as opposed to being stamped in. The actual name of the
>company that makes them is Cimmaron West. It's in the
>middle of Cimarron on the street that leads down into
>Philmont (lots of cool stuff there if you like leather and
>cowboy type things). As pointed out, they look quite
>different from the "traditional" Philmont belt.
>
>As for the belt buckle, that was quite the "phil-scandal"
>back in 1999. I don't remember the exact details, but the
>company/person that made the brass belt buckles stopped
>making them for some reason, and another company was found
>(I believe it was the same guy who made the silver ones).
>Due to a lack of experience with brass work, the belt
>buckles came out smaller and with an odd "painted" look to
>them. They were very unpopular, but they were the only
>option that summer due to the length of time it takes to
>order and produce more. Anyway, the whole thing was somehow
>straightened out and now the buckles are back to the way
>they have always been. There have been minor variations
>over the years (different hooks to attach them to belts,
>etc.) , but they are pretty similar. So, if you happen to
>get hold of one of those random 1999 buckles, you'll notice
>the difference, but those are no longer sold through
>Philmont, you'd have to find someone who happens to have one
>lying around somewhere.
>
>-John Wisinger
>Phil-Staff '97-'02 (Trading Post Warehouse Manager 1999)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-philmont@troop47.com
> > [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On Behalf Of
>dreader3@charter.net
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 1:04 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
> > Subject: [Philmont]: Philmont Leather belts, TOT brass
> > buckle, and Arrowhead patch
> >
> >
> > I got my Philmont leather belt and Tooth-of-Time brass
>buckle
> > while at Philmont years ago as a kid. Now I am an adult
> > Scouter and would like to proudly wear my Philmont belt
>and
> > buckle. Unfortunately, I am rather large now and the belt
>no
> > longer first. The Philmont belts offered by Tooth-of-Time
> > Traders only go up to size 50, for the standard $20
> > "Traditional Philmont hand-stamped leather belt" which is
> > "made by the Bowen family". There is also a "hand-tooled"
> > (What's the differenc between hand-tooled and
>hand-stamped?)
> > belt for $45 which is "made by a local Cimarron saddle
> > maker", but they only go up to size 46, which isn't even
>in
> > stock at the moment.
> >
> > Does anyone know if either the "Bowen family" or the
> > "Cimarron saddle maker" take orders for custom length
>belts?
> > How can I contact either of them directly? I get nothing
> > related when I google "Bowen family" and "Philmont" and/or
>"belts".
> >
> > Also, I have heard that the current brass TOT buckle is
>not
> > on a par with the older ones. Is this true, and if so,
>what
> > are the differences? Does that make my older buckle
>(1970's
> > vintage) collectable? The photo of the new one looks just
> > like I remember my old buckle (now where DID I put that
>thing?)
> >
> > Finally, I plan to wear my Arrowhead patch on my shirt,
>but
> > would like to get a duplicate. However TOT Traders does
>not
> > sell these. Can you buy extras from Philmont directly? How
>
> > would one go about getting a replacement?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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