The Phil-list Dec_2005: RE: [Philmont]: What makes a good crew?

From: Feurtado, Walter C. <wfeurtado@atsva.com>
Date: Tue Dec 20 2005 - 10:35:23 CST

I believe that the most important factor is that the hiker WANTS to go
to Philmont (his choice). This WANT must be derived from inside and not
influenced by others (parents or peers). When the hiker wants to go to
Philmont, they are willing to do the following:
        1. Be willing to lose weight and get in shape.
        2. Be willing to hike together as a crew and not try to
split the crew.
        3. Attend mandatory training.

The second factor is that the hiker has reached a certain level of
maturity to the extent that they are aware of cause and affect. While
goofing off is fun, if you are 5 miles from help, if somebody gets hurt,
who carries them out? Maturity also reveals itself additionally by:
        1. Being willing to drink the water and stay hydrated.
        2. Being willing to eat the food.
        3. Being willing to stay clean (washing body and clothes
daily).
        4. Being able to self-medicate.

The third factor is that the hiker must be willing to work as a member
of the crew or as the leader. Taking scouts that have to be constantly
prodded to do their chores indicate that while they would like to go to
Philmont, they are not ready to participate in the Philmont experience.

Finally, each parent must be willing to discuss any issues with the crew
leader such as A.D.D., A.D.H.D, L.D., and E.D. This type of information
is required to best know how to work with a hiker. It is not for crew
knowledge, just for advisors.

Just my thoughts.

Wally

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Pete Swiggum
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:00 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: What makes a good crew?

Dr. Bob and others,
This meeting is for Scouts, crew advisors and parents. The purpose of
the
meeting is to offer practical advice and answer gear, itinerary and
logistics questions related to the trip out, the experience at Philmont
and
the trip home. We'll discuss trek planning, practice and shakedown
hikes,
as well as crew and advisor responsibilities.

We'll also be covering all travel, as well as sharing a comprehensive
gear
review on what is, and what isn't, needed on the trail.

The meeting will last about one and a half hours.

Any important words of wisdom will be greatly appreciated, probably
moreso
than information related to gear and trek logistics.

An example of something I'll be sharing with the group is "Expedition
Behavior" by Howard Tomb. It was something I got off this forum prior
to
our trip last summer. It's the one that begins with Rule #1: "Get the
heck
out of bed!" I think information like this can be more helpful than the

gear and trek information.

Pete Swiggum
Troop 1173
Green Bay
Peter.Swiggum(at)sbcglobal(dot)net
Philmont 2005

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Bob Klein" <drbob@troop111.org>
To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont" <philmont@troop47.com>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: What makes a good crew?

> How long a meeting? How much time will YOU get, and how much will be
> dedicated to administrivia? Is this the ONLY meeting, or just one of
> several (and if so, how many)?
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> The more details on the parameters, the better advice you'll get....
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> Pete Swiggum wrote:
>> This is an email primarily for Coop, but if anyone else has something
to
>> add, I'd welcome it wholeheartedly.
>> In January, I'll be leading the parent / crew meeting for our
council's
>> Philmont contingents for 2006. Although I was an advisor for one of
our
>> Philmont crews this past summer, I'm clearly not as experienced as
many
>> of you. I'm just someone willing and able to lead the meeting in
order
>> to help properly prepare the crews and parents for next summer's trip
to
>> Philmont.
>> Coop, according to your message below from last April, you have a
>> training session entitled "Avoiding One Year Wonder Crews". If you
would
>> be so kind as to forward any information related to that training
>> session, I would appreciate it greatly.
>> To anyone else on the list who's done the same thing I'm about to do
in
>> January, any program outlines and thoughts on what to cover would be
>> appreciated. I have an outline that our council has done over the
last
>> few years and it's certainly a good one. I'm just looking to share
as
>> much pertinent information as possible and your thoughts are
important to
>> me.
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Pete Swiggum
>> Troop 1173
>> Green Bay
>> Peter.Swiggum@sbcglobal.net <mailto:Peter.Swiggum@sbcglobal.net>
>> Philmont 2005
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: CoopWright@aol.com <mailto:CoopWright@aol.com>
>> To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
>> <mailto:philmont@troop47.com>
>> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: What makes a good crew?
>>
>> I have a session entitled "Avoiding One Year Wonder Crews" that I
>> put together for the Northeast Region's Venture Quest that will
be
>> held in Dillsburg, PA, May 6-8, that I would be happy to send out
to
>> folks that wanted to see it.
>>
>> Cooper Wright
>> Associate Advisor, Crew 1519
>> Warrenton, VA
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