The Phil-list Dec_2007: [philmont] Recommendations on Boots?

From: Karen Kelly <kkelly421@comcast.net>
Date: Thu Dec 06 2007 - 04:58:23 CST

Kirk,

The great thing about that strap on the Crocs is using it to hang them on
the outside of your pack. They are definitely weather-proof and then they
aren't taking up valuable space inside the pack. Just a thought...

Karen Kelly
Troop 185
Waterford, MI
Philmont 2006 (21) & 2008 (?)

"Only she who attempts the absurd can achieve the impossible." - Robin
Morgan

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  From: philmont@troop47.com [mailto:philmont@troop47.com]On Behalf Of kirk
maes
  Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:16 PM
  To: philmont List Member
  Subject: [philmont] Recommendations on Boots?

I will be taking my crocs!

I cut the straps off because I like them that way ( I will claim the idea
as a weight reduction method for the list however). My crocs are of the
type that don't have holes in the top so they are possibly safer for the
occasional hot water cooking accident than my running shoes (which are just
fabric on the top and would trap hot water and be harder to get off than
crocs without straps.) The crocs actually weigh very little, (345 grams for
the pair without straps) (12 oz for you non metric old guys - LaBlanc not
included of course) I may also take a crazy creek chair and a bunch of M&M
as motivational treats along the trail so a little extra weight doesn't
scare me to bad. (I will regret this thought as I search for a cell phone
signal atop Baldy in June.)

I will probably also take my Asics gell nimbus running shoes as a real
back up shoe in case of a boot blowout The Asics will make a much better
camp shoe for the modest day hikes and hikes to the adviser's coffee's etc.
I will probably just bite the bullet on the extra 3/4 lb.for my crocs
because I like them and they are so comfortable and easy to bomb around in.
My asics weigh 800 grams for the pair ( 28 oz) which to me seems like a lot
for a back up shoe plan that I may not need. I may work out a plan with the
other adviser who wears the same size shoe and one or two of the bigger
scouts with similar foot size to share the single pair of Asics as the
"community backup shoes" for a boot blowout. I will try convince them to
take their crocs as their primary camp shoe.

Has anyone ever tried to set up a small allotment of shoes as"crew gear "
for the possible boot blowout. I suspect having 3 or 4 pairs of good running
shoes per crew of 12 with everyone having light weight crocs as the primary
camp shoe might be a good plan. Enough kids and adults may be close enough
in shoe size to make this work.Has anyone ever seen or heard of more than
one boot blowout in a single crew on a single trek? I'm sure it has happened
but I would guess it is pretty rare.

12 pairs of crocs and 4 pair of Asics together weigh 7340g . 12 pair of
Asics weigh 9600g. Thats 2260g more which is nearly 5 lbs savings for the
crew in total. That may be worth the trouble.

I am a big fan of troop and crew gear. Anything that can be made into crew
gear rather than individual gear helps to build team working skills for the
crew and usually saves space and weight. The better the crew works together
as a team ( on camp duties for example) the quicker work gets done and the
more time is left over for enjoying programs or free time.

  Kirk Maes
  503 vero beach fl
  phil of the future 6/26/08

On Dec 5, 2007 8:03 PM, Roy Fisher <rfisher003@satx.rr.com > wrote:

Just to get the pot stirred up – CROCS!

Seriously Jim,

That's kind of like asking for a recommendation on a car or football
team.

I would recommend that you look at some of the gear guides that are
available – backpacker.com, gorp.com, backpackgear test.org and there are
numerous others – and read through some of the offerings. Backpacker
magazine will publish their Gear Guide issue in March if you want to wait
that long; it should be on the newsstands by mid February. The main thing
is that the boots fit and are well broken in on the person who will be
wearing them at Philmont .

Happy Trails

Roy Fisher

Hello all,

I am leading a crew in August of 08.

Any recommendations on boots and footwear from the group?

Yours In Scouting Service,

Jim Zeszutek

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Gateway Boy Scout Assistant District Commissioner

Southeast Wisconsin Council

Boy Scouts Of America

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