[philmont] Recommendations on Boots?

I will still be taking crocs and I will not be taking "gators" and for a
Florida boy not to be taking gators is a big deal. You should also know that
my scout master is a guy named Brennan, but not the gator Brennan you may be
thinking of. Crocs yes.....go gators...but not gaiters.

kirk maes
brother of some kind of computer geek

On Dec 9, 2007 8:56 PM, GEORGE TAYLOR <gmtaylor@prodigy.net> wrote:

> I remember the (spirited, to say the least) debate about crocs last spring
> but can at least add some insight since I went to Philmont last summer.
> While the crocs I took did provide something easy to slip into when exiting
> the tent and were lightweight, they weren't a very helpful camp shoe. I
> wished on several occasions that I had brought some lightweight running
> shoes. Since I focus a lot on keeping pack weight down, a commitment on my
> part to bring something like running shoes that weigh 8 to 10 ounces more
> than the alternative (crocs) is a big deal. The problem with the crocs is
> that your feet tend to slip around a lot in them, and by the end of the day
> your feet are fairly tender anyway and the last thing you want is to jam
> your toes down in a pair of crocs. Next time, I'll leave the three-legged
> stool (and the crocs) behind and take a better pair of camp shoes.
>
> YiS,
>
> George
>
>
>
> *Larry Taylor <Larry.Taylor@co.travis.tx.us>* wrote:
>
> Crocs? not again!!!
> Seriously, before I went on my trek this past summer
> I read the many,many, many posts some nearly religious in their love or
> hatred for this footwear.
> So, I took a pair. I did not cook in them (adults are on vacation -- so
> we did not cook).
>
> I like them for the most part except when walking to our conservation
> project -- I kept getting little rocks say the size of a dime to the size of
> a quarter in them.
>
> Hike in them? Well if a bear stole them in the night and not one person
> had a pair of running shoes in my size sure. Boot blow out? I'd use duct
> tape and repair!
>
> YiS
> Sam Taylor ASM T89
>
> Prudence, Justice, Fortitude, Temperance
>
> >>> On 06-Dec-07 at 4:58 AM, in message <MDAEMON-F200712060458.AA5851830pd50004877451@troop47.com>,
> "Karen Kelly" <kkelly421@comcast.net> wrote:
> Kirk,
>
> The great thing about that strap on the Crocs is using it to hang them on
> the outside of your pack. They are definitely weather-proof and then they
> aren't taking up valuable space inside the pack. Just a thought...
>
> Karen Kelly
> Troop 185
> Waterford, MI
> Philmont 2006 (21) & 2008 (?)
>
> *"Only she who attempts the absurd can achieve the impossible." - Robin
> Morgan *
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* philmont@troop47.com [mailto: philmont@troop47.com]*On Behalf Of *kirk
> maes
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:16 PM
> *To:* philmont List Member
> *Subject:* [philmont] Recommendations on Boots?
>
> I will be taking my crocs!
>
> I cut the straps off because I like them that way ( I will claim the idea
> as a weight reduction method for the list however). My crocs are of the
> type that don't have holes in the top so they are possibly safer for the
> occasional hot water cooking accident than my running shoes (which are just
> fabric on the top and would trap hot water and be harder to get off than
> crocs without straps.) The crocs actually weigh very little, (345 grams for
> the pair without straps) (12 oz for you non metric old guys - LaBlanc not
> included of course) I may also take a crazy creek chair and a bunch of M&M
> as motivational treats along the trail so a little extra weight doesn't
> scare me to bad. (I will regret this thought as I search for a cell phone
> signal atop Baldy in June.)
>
> I will probably also take my Asics gell nimbus running shoes as a real
> back up shoe in case of a boot blowout The Asics will make a much better
> camp shoe for the modest day hikes and hikes to the adviser's coffee's etc.
> I will probably just bite the bullet on the extra 3/4 lb.for my crocs
> because I like them and they are so comfortable and easy to bomb around in.
> My asics weigh 800 grams for the pair ( 28 oz) which to me seems like a lot
> for a back up shoe plan that I may not need. I may work out a plan with the
> other adviser who wears the same size shoe and one or two of the bigger
> scouts with similar foot size to share the single pair of Asics as the
> "community backup shoes" for a boot blowout. I will try convince them to
> take their crocs as their primary camp shoe.
>
> Has anyone ever tried to set up a small allotment of shoes as"crew gear "
> for the possible boot blowout. I suspect having 3 or 4 pairs of good running
> shoes per crew of 12 with everyone having light weight crocs as the primary
> camp shoe might be a good plan. Enough kids and adults may be close enough
> in shoe size to make this work.Has anyone ever seen or heard of more than
> one boot blowout in a single crew on a single trek? I'm sure it has happened
> but I would guess it is pretty rare.
>
> 12 pairs of crocs and 4 pair of Asics together weigh 7340g . 12 pair of
> Asics weigh 9600g. Thats 2260g more which is nearly 5 lbs savings for the
> crew in total. That may be worth the trouble.
>
> I am a big fan of troop and crew gear. Anything that can be made into crew
> gear rather than individual gear helps to build team working skills for the
> crew and usually saves space and weight. The better the crew works together
> as a team ( on camp duties for example) the quicker work gets done and the
> more time is left over for enjoying programs or free time.
>
> Kirk Maes
> 503 vero beach fl
> phil of the future 6/26/08
>
> On Dec 5, 2007 8:03 PM, Roy Fisher <rfisher003@satx.rr.com > wrote:
>
> > Just to get the pot stirred up – CROCS!
> >
> > Seriously Jim,
> >
> > That's kind of like asking for a recommendation on a car or football
> > team.
> >
> > I would recommend that you look at some of the gear guides that are
> > available – backpacker.com, gorp.com, backpackgear test.org and there
> > are numerous others – and read through some of the offerings. Backpacker
> > magazine will publish their Gear Guide issue in March if you want to wait
> > that long; it should be on the newsstands by mid February. The main thing
> > is that the boots fit and are well broken in on the person who will be
> > wearing them at Philmont .
> >
> > Happy Trails
> >
> > Roy Fisher
> >
> > Hello all,
> > I am leading a crew in August of 08.
> >
> > Any recommendations on boots and footwear from the group?
> >
> >
> > Yours In Scouting Service,
> > Jim Zeszutek
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Gateway Boy Scout Assistant District Commissioner
> > Southeast Wisconsin Council
> > Boy Scouts Of America
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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