[Philmont] Recommendations on Boots?

Our ranger wouldn't let the Croc users wear them without socks.
I brought a lightweight running shoe, which worked well for the 3 mile
commisary run from Webster park to Ute Gulch.
Three of us made a mad dash for it down grouse canyon as it was late in the
day, and we were worried about missing the pickup.

On 12/11/07, kirk maes <kirkmaes@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I will still be taking crocs and I will not be taking "gators" and for a
> Florida boy not to be taking gators is a big deal. You should also know that
> my scout master is a guy named Brennan, but not the gator Brennan you may be
> thinking of. Crocs yes.....go gators...but not gaiters.
>
> kirk maes
> brother of some kind of computer geek
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2007 8:56 PM, GEORGE TAYLOR <gmtaylor@prodigy.net > wrote:
>
> > I remember the (spirited, to say the least) debate about crocs last
> > spring but can at least add some insight since I went to Philmont last
> > summer. While the crocs I took did provide something easy to slip into when
> > exiting the tent and were lightweight, they weren't a very helpful camp
> > shoe. I wished on several occasions that I had brought some lightweight
> > running shoes. Since I focus a lot on keeping pack weight down, a
> > commitment on my part to bring something like running shoes that weigh 8 to
> > 10 ounces more than the alternative (crocs) is a big deal. The problem with
> > the crocs is that your feet tend to slip around a lot in them, and by the
> > end of the day your feet are fairly tender anyway and the last thing you
> > want is to jam your toes down in a pair of crocs. Next time, I'll leave the
> > three-legged stool (and the crocs) behind and take a better pair of camp
> > shoes.
> >
> > YiS,
> >
> > George
> >
> >
> >
> > *Larry Taylor <Larry.Taylor@co.travis.tx.us>* wrote:
> >
> > Crocs? not again!!!
> > Seriously, before I went on my trek this past summer
> > I read the many,many, many posts some nearly religious in their love or
> > hatred for this footwear.
> > So, I took a pair. I did not cook in them (adults are on vacation -- so
> > we did not cook).
> >
> > I like them for the most part except when walking to our conservation
> > project -- I kept getting little rocks say the size of a dime to the size of
> > a quarter in them.
> >
> > Hike in them? Well if a bear stole them in the night and not one person
> > had a pair of running shoes in my size sure. Boot blow out? I'd use duct
> > tape and repair!
> >
> > YiS
> > Sam Taylor ASM T89
> >
> > Prudence, Justice, Fortitude, Temperance
> >
> > >>> On 06-Dec-07 at 4:58 AM, in message <MDAEMON-F200712060458.AA5851830pd50004877451@troop47.com>,
> > "Karen Kelly" <kkelly421@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > Kirk,
> >
> > The great thing about that strap on the Crocs is using it to hang them
> > on the outside of your pack. They are definitely weather-proof and then
> > they aren't taking up valuable space inside the pack. Just a thought...
> >
> > Karen Kelly
> > Troop 185
> > Waterford, MI
> > Philmont 2006 (21) & 2008 (?)
> >
> > *"Only she who attempts the absurd can achieve the impossible." - Robin
> > Morgan *
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* philmont@troop47.com [mailto: philmont@troop47.com]*On Behalf Of
> > *kirk maes
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:16 PM
> > *To:* philmont List Member
> > *Subject:* [philmont] Recommendations on Boots?
> >
> > I will be taking my crocs!
> >
> > I cut the straps off because I like them that way ( I will claim the
> > idea as a weight reduction method for the list however). My crocs are of
> > the type that don't have holes in the top so they are possibly safer for the
> > occasional hot water cooking accident than my running shoes (which are just
> > fabric on the top and would trap hot water and be harder to get off than
> > crocs without straps.) The crocs actually weigh very little, (345 grams for
> > the pair without straps) (12 oz for you non metric old guys - LaBlanc not
> > included of course) I may also take a crazy creek chair and a bunch of M&M
> > as motivational treats along the trail so a little extra weight doesn't
> > scare me to bad. (I will regret this thought as I search for a cell phone
> > signal atop Baldy in June.)
> >
> > I will probably also take my Asics gell nimbus running shoes as a real
> > back up shoe in case of a boot blowout The Asics will make a much better
> > camp shoe for the modest day hikes and hikes to the adviser's coffee's etc.
> > I will probably just bite the bullet on the extra 3/4 lb.for my crocs
> > because I like them and they are so comfortable and easy to bomb around in.
> > My asics weigh 800 grams for the pair ( 28 oz) which to me seems like a lot
> > for a back up shoe plan that I may not need. I may work out a plan with the
> > other adviser who wears the same size shoe and one or two of the bigger
> > scouts with similar foot size to share the single pair of Asics as the
> > "community backup shoes" for a boot blowout. I will try convince them to
> > take their crocs as their primary camp shoe.
> >
> > Has anyone ever tried to set up a small allotment of shoes as"crew gear
> > " for the possible boot blowout. I suspect having 3 or 4 pairs of good
> > running shoes per crew of 12 with everyone having light weight crocs as the
> > primary camp shoe might be a good plan. Enough kids and adults may be close
> > enough in shoe size to make this work.Has anyone ever seen or heard of
> > more than one boot blowout in a single crew on a single trek? I'm sure it
> > has happened but I would guess it is pretty rare.
> >
> > 12 pairs of crocs and 4 pair of Asics together weigh 7340g . 12 pair of
> > Asics weigh 9600g. Thats 2260g more which is nearly 5 lbs savings for the
> > crew in total. That may be worth the trouble.
> >
> > I am a big fan of troop and crew gear. Anything that can be made into
> > crew gear rather than individual gear helps to build team working skills for
> > the crew and usually saves space and weight. The better the crew works
> > together as a team ( on camp duties for example) the quicker work gets done
> > and the more time is left over for enjoying programs or free time.
> >
> > Kirk Maes
> > 503 vero beach fl
> > phil of the future 6/26/08
> >
> > On Dec 5, 2007 8:03 PM, Roy Fisher <rfisher003@satx.rr.com > wrote:
> >
> > > Just to get the pot stirred up – CROCS!
> > >
> > > Seriously Jim,
> > >
> > > That's kind of like asking for a recommendation on a car or football
> > > team.
> > >
> > > I would recommend that you look at some of the gear guides that are
> > > available – backpacker.com, gorp.com, backpackgear test.org and there
> > > are numerous others – and read through some of the offerings. Backpacker
> > > magazine will publish their Gear Guide issue in March if you want to wait
> > > that long; it should be on the newsstands by mid February. The main thing
> > > is that the boots fit and are well broken in on the person who will be
> > > wearing them at Philmont .
> > >
> > > Happy Trails
> > >
> > > Roy Fisher
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > > I am leading a crew in August of 08.
> > >
> > > Any recommendations on boots and footwear from the group?
> > >
> > >
> > > Yours In Scouting Service,
> > > Jim Zeszutek
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > Gateway Boy Scout Assistant District Commissioner
> > > Southeast Wisconsin Council
> > > Boy Scouts Of America
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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