The Phil-list Dec_2007: [Philmont] Tricks of the trade on food e

From: Jim Zeszutek <jwzeszutek@zeszutek.com>
Date: Fri Dec 21 2007 - 09:57:13 CST

Hello all,

Please remember that some of us so called "newbies" are new to this humble
list but experienced Scouters. We are also volunteers just like everyone
else on the list. We are here to gain additional knowledge of how we will
deliver a good Philmont experience to our youth. We are crew leaders who
will be taking our time to lead a crew to Philmont. Piss us off and we will
just leave the list, no harm done. Except, you/we might just miss one
"nugget of gold" advice that might be useful on the trail to help a youth
enjoy the ranch experience better. Give the youth a bad experience and
then we as a movement lose an adult leader in the future. No adult leaders,
no more Philmont treks! No more treks, no Philmont..

Now a new topic.

Philmont food is Philmont food. Youth of today sometimes don't like
stroganoff slopped into a Frisbee. This is reality, so no whining about
it. At BWCA we have tricks like bringing oranges on the trip. Halfway
through the trip we open them up, the youth enjoy the pulp and then we cook
muffins in the orange peels. Venison jerky is a Wisconsin favorite.
Something to break up the monotony.

Another trick is to bring some pepper or other spice to spice up the stew or
spaghetti. But that trick only is appealing to us chili heads.

Recognizing that Philmont provides the trail food. Any tricks of the trade
on food recommended?

Forgive me if this was discussed last year, I am a newbie to this list!

Peace and Happy Holidays!

YISS,

Jim Zeszutek

Aka Newbie phil list Z Man

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Kevin,

Thanks for taking the time to respond. I agree with your point of view.

I'm new to this list but, like you, been more than a little surprised by
some of the entries in light of the scouting basis for the conversation.

Steve Wagner

In a message dated 12/21/2007 10:02:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
kevinaldrich@insightbb.com writes:

Typically I ignore inflammatory email but since I've been misrepresented I'm
responding.

Guess who asked the "dig-bat" question. Me. I'm disappointed with Dr. Bob's
response encouraging that false information and nasty methods be used on the
Philmont list as a way to have good discussions.. But as the moderator and a
recognized authority on Philmont Dr. Bob has that privilege.

Here are my concerns. One, is a person who presents themselves as an expert
and then provides inaccurate information and does so in a mean manner. I
thought a Scout was a friend to all. The result is that the person looses
credibility with me and I don't trust the information they provide because I
don't trust their intent.

What was inaccurate? First, if you go to the canoe list you will find that
Mr. LeBlanc was not removed by the moderator. But on this list he claims he
was removed from the canoe list.

Second, the information that Mr. LeBlanc represents in his note below
concerning my posting and question is inaccurate. My question to the canoe
list was about how to turn the trek planning, as much as possible, over to
Scouts who are going on 13 and are not yet 16 or 17 years old. Instead of
responding to the question Mr. LeBlanc attacked me because in his opinion 12
& 13 year old Scouts should only do weekend campouts. I have received 7
emails privately with encouragement and great suggestions and guidance, but
these Scouters choose not to respond to the list because of the vehemence
from Mr. LeBlanc. Several other Scouts responded positively on the list.

Another concern is why have a moderated list if the moderator doesn't
moderate. Expressions such as Mr. LeBlanc's, " . . . dig-bat inquiry . . . "
and, ". . . sanctimonious self appointed God . . . " are not only hurtful
and inflammatory but contrary to our Scout Law because they are unhelpful,
unfriendly, and unkind.

I belong to both the Philmont list and the Canoe list and will continue to
do so because after I weed through the nasty responses from the
self-appointed experts there are usually a few good pieces of good
information that make it worth my while. And now and then I get a good
laugh.

Trying not to take myself too seriously, I am

Kevin Aldrich, only a Dig-Bat

John LeBlanc wrote:

> In short, learn to walk before trying to run.

> - Dr. Bob

> **********************************************************

> Te gist of my post was "just do it". Today we tend to research and

> Google an idea to death rather than taking a few precautions adn getting

> on with the program.

> Dr. Bob, reply above really hit a ringer with me.

> UNtil a few days ago I was on the canoe list. Because of a post the

> moderator did not like I was banned from the list. Their loss, my

> gain. Their loss in that I possess over 60 years canoeing experinece,

> 55 of the with Scouting. My gain in that I do not have to waste my time

> posting the obvious on that list anymore.

> My reply was in answer to a ding-bat inquiry that went something like

> this "we have a new troop of 11 and 12 year olds and want to emphasize

> high adventure, werhe do we go? Philmont? Boundary Waters? Do we use

> Northern Tier or an outfitter?

> Because my post subject line was "you gotta crawl then walk then run"

> and the body expanded on that, I really enjoyed Dr. Bob's version of the

> exact same thing I recommended on canoe list.

> The shame of it was I hit a nerve of a sanctimonious self appointed God

> I mean moderator adn he permanently banned me from the list. I might

> add that he did not have the courtesy to even state his/her name but

> chose to hide behind his mothers apron stringe.

> OK, enough of my criticisms.

> I'm just glad that the philmont list tolerates straight forward adn to

> the point replys.

> Political correctness isn't even politcally correct for pliticians and

> it darned sure isn't apropriate for Scouting. After all a part of the

> Scout law is honesty and political correctness is a downright lie.

> OK, enough John!

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