From: Dave Mayer (dave.mayer@southwest-consulting.com)
Date: Fri Feb 15 2002 - 10:13:25 CST
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<> Happy Trails, Dave <>
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> philmont Digest Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:04:07 -0600 V01 #123
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> Today's topics:
> 'hello hello hello'
> 'Re: [Philmont]: hello hello hello'
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> 'Re: [Philmont]: hello hello hello'
> 'RE: [Philmont]: hello hello hello'
> 'RE: [Philmont]: hello hello hello'
> 'RE: [Philmont]: hello hello hello'
> 'Bugs'
> 'Re: [Philmont]: hello hello hello'
> 'Re: [Philmont]: hello hello hello'
> 'Bugs'
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> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:57:31 -0600
> From: The Lauders <slauder@execpc.com>
> Subject: hello hello hello
>
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> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:44:01 -0500
> From: "Brent Steiner" <STEINERB@michigan.gov>
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: hello hello hello
>
>
> Hello back. Not much happening on the list.....must be everyones
> trying to get in shape before they go to Philmont this summer.
>
> Quick question though....are bugs (flies and mosquitos) a problem on
> the treks?
>
> Brent Steiner
> Troop 141
> Mason, Mi
> Philmont 726 2002
>
>>>> slauder@execpc.com 2/14/02 12:57:31 PM >>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:41:26 -0600
> From: David.Thorn@winona.msus.edu
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: hello hello hello
>
>
>
> We had very little bug problem on our trek 2001 # 13 (south)late June -
> Early July.
>
>
>
>
> Quick question though....are bugs (flies and mosquitos) a problem on
> the treks?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:51:02 -0800
> From: Dave Mayer <dave.mayer@southwest-consulting.com>
> Subject: RE: [Philmont]: hello hello hello
>
>
> Didn't see any bugs in the summer of 2000. I suppose that doesn't mean
that
> they don't have any...
>
>
> <> Happy Trails, Dave <>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brent Steiner [mailto:STEINERB@michigan.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 9:44 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: hello hello hello
>
>
> Hello back. Not much happening on the list.....must be everyones
> trying to get in shape before they go to Philmont this summer.
>
> Quick question though....are bugs (flies and mosquitos) a problem on
> the treks?
>
> Brent Steiner
> Troop 141
> Mason, Mi
> Philmont 726 2002
>
>>>> slauder@execpc.com 2/14/02 12:57:31 PM >>>
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> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:06:18 -0500
> From: "Keith Eldred" <eldredk@wmston.k12.mi.us>
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: hello hello hello
>
>
> On my five treks bugs and mosquitos were never a problem. That is
> probably related to the treks we chose and the weather conditions that
> summer.
>
> Keith Eldred
> Troop 63
> Williamston, MI
> Philmont 730C 2002
>
>>>> STEINERB@michigan.gov - 2/14/02 12:44 PM >>>
> Hello back. Not much happening on the list.....must be everyones
> trying to get in shape before they go to Philmont this summer.
>
> Quick question though....are bugs (flies and mosquitos) a problem on
> the treks?
>
> Brent Steiner
> Troop 141
> Mason, Mi
> Philmont 726 2002
>
>>>> slauder@execpc.com 2/14/02 12:57:31 PM >>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:07:56 -0500
> From: Brian Gannon <bgannon@cox.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: hello hello hello
>
>
>> Quick question though....are bugs (flies and mosquitos) a problem on
>> the treks?
>
> Good question - the answer is generally not. Bugs, in my experience,
> are quite rare at Philmont and do not present a problem. One notable
> exception is the area around the Stockade/Lover's Leap Turnaround, which
> can be a haven for mosquitoes during the summer months. You may also
> see some flies at the lower elevations (Abreu is one camp that comes to
> mind), but nothing to be concerned about.
>
> Brian Gannon
> Philmont Ranger 1997-2000
> T-1113 - Fairfax, VA
> 718G 2002
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:07:56 -0600
> From: "Stan Herrin" <sherrin@cmtengr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: hello hello hello
>
>
>
>
>> Quick question though....are bugs (flies and mosquitos) a problem on
>> the treks?
>
> Most of the camping sites at Porcupine are along the trail. This trail is
> heavily used by burros and horses, which generate you-know-what, and this
> leads to flies. In 2000 we camped too close to the trail and found the
> flies to be a problem. Wish we had looked at all of the camps at
Porcupine
> before selecting the one we did, because there are a couple of really nice
> ones, away from the trail.
>
> Did not have any memorable problems the rest of the trek.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:32:44 EST
> From: KKoloff@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: hello hello hello
>
>
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> In a message dated 2/14/2002 2:17:11 PM Central Standard Time,
> sherrin@cmtengr.com writes:
>
>
>>> Quick question though....are bugs (flies and mosquitos) a problem on
>>> the treks?
>>
>
> Tons of flies last summer, even on top of Comanche Peak camp.
>
> kevin Koloff
> Oklahoma
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> <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated
2/14/2002
> 2:17:11 PM Central Standard Time, sherrin@cmtengr.com writes:
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid;
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though....are
> bugs (flies and mosquitos) a problem on
> <BR>> the treks?
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> <BR> Tons of flies last summer, even
on
> top of Comanche Peak camp.
> <BR>
> <BR>kevin Koloff
> <BR>Oklahoma</FONT></HTML>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:35:37 -0600 (CST)
> From: redbird70@webtv.net (Ella Randolph)
> Subject: RE: [Philmont]: hello hello hello
>
>
> All (if any) insect problems at Philmont are quickly forgotten because
> of the wonder of the experience of just being there.
> I used to be a BEAR...SC366
>
> YIS,Ella
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:25:44 -0600
> From: "David & Monica Harris" <harrises@earthlink.net>
> Subject: RE: [Philmont]: hello hello hello
>
>
> ....are bugs (flies and mosquitos) a problem on the treks?
>
> This doesn't really answer you question, but it depends on the
> location and the conditions. As another has mentioned, the
> presence of burros/horses can have an impact on the bug
> population, but in my times out there I only recall two occasions
> when the bugs 'bugged' me. One was Sawmill (1984) where we had
> some pesky deer flies, and the other was at Wild Horse in 1993
> where we were all covered with welts by the end of the evening.
> I'd suggest you "be prepared", but not overly concerned.
>
> YiS,
> David Harris
> Camper '78, Ranger '82 & '84, Advisor '93 & '03
> I want to go back!
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:35:02 -0500
> From: Karl_Hebert@SIND.COM
> Subject: RE: [Philmont]: hello hello hello
>
>
>
>
> In 1993 my crew went into the Valle. Hiking into Ring Place across an
> expansive
> meadow we encountered massive swarms of biting flies. My crew
affectionately
> marked that area on their map "Dear Fly Meadow". The problem was over as
soon
> as we crossed the meadow into Ring Place. We didn't have a problem with
> biting
> insects the rest of the trek.
>
>
>
> Karl Hebert
>
> Troop 39, Cumming, GA
>
> Going back in 2002, 704-E
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:44:28 -0500
> From: "Ken Flanagan" <kenflan@raex.com>
> Subject: Bugs
>
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> In 9 previous trips, I could only recall one day with bug problems near =
> Fish in 1987. The last trip in 2001 (615 D-1), we had nasty problems all =
> evening to the point we wore long pants and shirts no matter how hot it =
> was. We had problems at Apache Springs, Crooked Creek, Clear Creek and =
> Red Hills. Once we left Red Hills, there was nothing major.=20
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:49:17 -0600
> From: "Greg Leuch" <backpacker005@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: hello hello hello
>
>
> Mosquitos were somewhat common when I was there last June in the South and
> Central regions. I got bit some around Apache Springs, Fish Camp, and
> Lookout Meadow. My legs were blothed w/ red and itched for a day or so.
> The year before that (2000), the North Country had some biting flies, in
> late July/early August. More of a nuisance than anything!
>
> Reading the varied reports from some of the elders, I think elevation,
time,
> and weather are all factors to this., but you really don't need bug
> repellant. (Extra weight in my opinion). Hope this helps!
>
> Greg Leuch
> 727-P1-2000; 618-G1-2001
> Crew 35 - Chickasaw Council
> http://adventures.port5.com
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:06:56 -0600
> From: R Fisher <ghotier@texas.net>
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: hello hello hello
>
>
>> Quick question though....are bugs (flies and mosquitos) a problem on
>> the treks?
>
> I think it depends a lot on the overall conditions and locality.
> Mosquitos weren't really much of a problem anywhere in 1999 (a wet year
> by all accounts) especially if you used insect repellent (apply before 4
> pm and one bottle/tube should be enough for the whole crew).
>
> Flies were quite a bit of an annoyance at several locations - Cathedral
> Rock and Phillips Junction in particular. But these were the buzz
> around type not the biting kind - no jokes about whiffle/circle flies
> either.
>
> Phillips Junction was probably due to 1) the water available [river,
> showers, water tap, rain] 2) the fact that many crews eat a meal while
> restocking at the commissary and most probably 3) a considerable number
> of Philmont's cattle herd. I can't speculate on why they were so
> numerous at Cathedral Rock however. There were other locales also that
> had "bug problems" - usually flies - but I can't think of specifics.
> They usually disappeared when the sun did and rain (we had it on nine of
> the eleven days) usually limited their activity.
>
> Be Prepared and
>
> Happy Trails
>
> Roy Fisher
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:48:03 -0600
> From: "Jerry Lewis" <jerrylewis@attbi.com>
> Subject: Bugs
>
>
> There never seems to be a pattern. In my ten visits since '89, there were
3
> incidents bad enough to stay in memory. All were South and West, the
primary
> areas
> in the previous post answers. Too much wind and cooler temps up North, I
> think.
> Upper Bench would be a really deadly place if the mosquitoes ever got
going
> because
> the lake there is really low and swampy. The 4 times I've either been
through
> there
> or stayed overnight, there were none.
>
> In '92, we got hit so hard by mosquitoes climbing up out of the drainage
from
> Red
> Hills to Big Red that people were screaming in agony. I was the only one
with
> repellant because the Ranger had convinced everyone there were no
mosquitoes
> at
> Philmont. I passed the bottle up from the back. Otherwise, I really
think we
> were
> about to climb back down and get into tents.
>
> In '95, mosquitoes were really, really bad at dusk and early night at
Clear
> Creek.
> The beaver ponds surrounding the place had become mosquito factories. The
> other 3
> times I've been to or through Clear Creek, there were none. Same amount
of
> water in
> the ponds, just different temp, lower humidity, and who knows what.
>
> In '97, we were hit pretty hard by mosquitoes while eating lunch at
Thunder
> Ridge.
>
> The main reason you don't need much insect repellant at Philmont is you
rarely
> need
> it until after 4 pm, the time after when you can't apply it. Sometimes,
> particularly
> in the South Country when we're heading into an area I know there'll be
> standing
> water, I suggest to the crew leader that we stop on the trail or gather
back
> in camp
> and apply it early, around 3 pm, even though it may be a wasted use. Just
a
> very
> little seems to always do the job.
>
> Regarding flies and big black flies, they frequent any place there is
horse or
> donkey
> poop. The big black flies live mostly around Ponil and Clark's Fork
although
> they
> can show up anywhere, but rarely. I've never been bothered by them except
> just
> before a hard rain. The sudden lowering in air pressure excites them,
> somehow, and
> they start biting--hard! It's an old folklore weather predictor; and it
> works.
>
> I carry and suggest 1 other advisor carry a tiny bottle filled with Jungle
> Juice sold
> by REI. Its DEET is strong enough for anything south of Chicago and
slight
> enough so
> as not to harm teenaged skin. I put it in the tiniest contact lens
wetting
> solution
> bottle sold. The cap screws on versus popping up. (Suggest re-reading
the
> previous
> sentence!) We carry a couple (on those treks I've convinced the other
> advisors not
> to sneak any more in); and have never used up either bottle.
>
> Jerry Lewis
> ASM & Philmont 2002 Advisor, 625-K-5
> Troop 303, McKinney TX
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> End of philmont Digest V01 #123
> *******************************
Does anyone know the specs (weight and dimensions) of the Philmont trail
tents? I can't remember what they are.
Andy Fulkerson, Advisor, 1996, 1999, 2002: 609-202
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