RE: [Philmont]: Replacement Batteries

Joe's point of comparison is on point, in general all of our digital photos
from '04 are comparable in quality. The currently posted web images have
been dumbed down significantly for storage and download purposes so
comparing them should yield little difference ... the were all scaled to the
same size and are lossy (.jpg) images. All the photos, independent of the
technology employed, are good to excellent. Each of the photographers came
home with some spectatular shots. I'll try to post representative,
uncompressed and unshrunk images over the next day or so for comparative
purposes.

Joe's more subtle point is worth amplifying - any electronics you take might
not survive the trip ... take measures to protect them.

Joe's other, not so sublte point regarding cost is worthy as well ... its
easy to get carried away getting ready for the trip of a lifetime ... my
list is posted on our PSR page. One can easily spend as much or more on
stuff than the cost of the trip itself ... believe it ... I did. But this
won't be the case in '06, every item is still servicable and still in-use,
point being if you buy, buy the best you can afford so you only have to buy
it once.

YIS
Jim
ASM T6
PSR '74, '04, '06
www.troop6bsa.org?cmd=philmont
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  From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com]On
Behalf Of Joe Simonis
  Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:34 AM
  To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
  Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Replacement Batteries

  I was the advisor on Jim's trek with the older digital, a Fuji FinePix
2650 2.0 mega pixel. A relatively inexpensive camera, yet I think it takes
great shots, and some video capability as well (no sound). I liked it
because I didn't have to worry about the remorse of damaging or losing an
expensive piece of equipment on the trail, it is pretty rugged, and it uses
AA batteries. You can probably find one for $50 on eBay. I took over 300
shots on a single set of lithium batteries, although I carried a spare set.
If you want to compare the quality a $50 camera to Jim's $500 camera (my
guess at the cost, but Jim likes his toys), you can see both our pics on the
website below (Mr. Thompson's photos and Mr. Simonis' photos).

  Joe Simonis
  ASM T6

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  From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Troop 6 Scoutmaster
  Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:03 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
  Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Replacement Batteries
  On our 2004 trek the three advisors each took a different approach ... one
had a 35mm, one an older digital, and one a new digital video/still hybrid.
All performed well, the most important aspect being the user's familiarity
with the device.  If you are considering a new purchase, consider the
camera's life after Philmont (yes, there is life after Philmont, but it
pales by comparison).  Your going to want compact, light weight and some
degree of ruggeness water resistance, although you will certainly want a
padded and water proof bag (see www.m-rock.com ).  What ever you choose,
think about how you will use the camera for the long haul, and get enough
experience with it to understand its features and quirks, finally know its
battery consumption and storage needs so you can have an adequate supply of
both.
  Many will suggest a camera that uses AAs, in general I'd concur and
suggest investing in rechargables... you can recharge in base camp (the
advisor's lounge is one spot) so you  hit the trail with a full load.  As i
said previously, battery type is but one consideration, make sure you choose
the right camera for you with the features you want.
  I was the guy with the video/still hybrid which took proprietary batteries
but it allowed me to record that eagle court of honor on the tooth the
morning of our last day ... a download friendly (read dumbed down quality
wise) lives on the troop website, url below.  At the end of the day remember
that you will capture memories for the ages, I took lots of photos as a kid,
the only ones I still have are from Philmont & my Eagle Project.  The video
shot on the tooth that morning in 2004 was shown at the younger brother's
Eagle COH late last year and is an emotional experience for those that were
there, and even for those that were not .... That's one kid that will
remember exactly where he got his eagle.
  YIS
  Jim
  ASM T6
  PSR '74, '04, '06
  www.troop6bsa.org?cmd=philmont
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    From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com]On
Behalf Of Dorman Morsman
    Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:33 PM
    To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
    Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Replacement Batteries
    I've been struggling with digital vs film....what's the best digital
camera to take on a trek and what batteries does it take?  It would seem the
best camera would be one that took inexpensive batteries such as AA.  Help!
    Dorman Morsman
    Troop 78
    Edmond, OK
    1st trek 06!
    "Garrett, Russ" <Russ.Garrett@bullivant.com> wrote:
      I enjoy both film and digital photography. However, for backpacking I
      recommend only digital. The ability to replicate, store and organize
photos
      for later is a huge benefit. Also, the sheer cost per frame is low. If
      your purpose for shooting goes beyond that, then by all means pack the
film
      and lenses. Otherwise, digital saves space, weight and offers other
nice
      advantages.
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      From: Larry Tuck
      To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
      Sent: Fri Feb 10 16:38:18 2006
      Subject: [Philmont]: Replacement Batteries
      Most of the backcountry camps don't have electricity -- Cito and Ponil
are
      the only exceptions that come to mind. Even there I would not depend
on
      finding and available outlet. I plan to carry enough batteries for
more
      shots than I expect to take.
      For what it's worth, on past treks I've averaged about 25 photos a day
with
      a film camera. I figure it'll probably be more with the digital.
      Larry Tuck
      Scoutmaster, Troop 761
      Thousand Oaks, CA
      Philmony Advisor 2001, 2003, 2006
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