[philmont] Philmont Camp Shoes

What if one of your boot disappear during the night? What will you wear
the next morning? Food for thought... :-)

Strother Hollingsworth
Troop 297
Hoffman Estates, IL

                                                                           
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Shane,
I didn't see your post as a "rant". It seems pretty straightforward to me.

Go to Philmont with quality gear and you'll have a much better chance of a
good backpacking experience. No problem with that tone at all.

You don't address the issue at hand, however, (i.e. Camp shoes) so should
we
read between the lines and say that you bring ultralight camp shoes (aqua
sox or similar) to save weight because quality boots shouldn't fail and a
crew member shouldn't need his camp shoes as a backup for the trail?

I don't totally disagree with that statement because the likelihood of boot

failure, if quality boots were purchased and broken-in properly, is
extremely small. One may need his or her camp shoes for the trail for
other
reasons. (Insert reasons here.) Ultimately, however, one should wear
decent, lightweight and comfortable shoes around camp and the shoes should
protect one's feet from rocks, etc. that could cause injuries. Bottom
line.

There are lots of options out there, but in my humble opinion, aqua sox and

similar don't accomplish the goal. Bring lightweight sneakers or something

along those lines. You won't be sorry about the choice.

Pete Swiggum
Advisor - Crew 9404
Green Bay, WI
Philmont 2005

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Subject: [philmont] Philmont Camp Shoes

> Rant warning... don't read if you don't want to...
>
> My reply would be this: Why would you allow one of your crew to come to
> Philmont in old or worn boots that would be prone to fail? The idea of
> Philmont is BACKPACKING. Backpacking long distances over consecutive
days
> is murder on even good footwear.
>
> If our crew members are using "throw away" (substitute cheap) boots, I
> educate the parents that these are "one trip" boots and will be useless
> after Philmont. Usually these don't need much break in so I encourage
the
> parents to buy these boots about a month before the trip. If our crew
> members are using "good" (substitute quality, more expensive) boots, I
> encourage the parents to purchase the boots about 4 months before the
> trip.
>
> With kids and their growing feet, you cannot allow kids to bring year old

> (or more) boots. The fit alone will cause major, trek-ending foot
> problems (I have personal experience in this - a crew member in 1984 wore

> his boots from 1981 and hiked 4 days before his bleeding feet made him
> leave the trail).
>
> If you let kids get to Philmont with boots that are prone to fail, you
> have done your kids a disservice.
>
> We educate the parents in needing 4 pieces of quality equipment - all
> other comes second. If we feel the crew member's equipment will not make

> it, we let the parent's know ASAP so new gear can be acquired (yes, we do

> look at this equipment closely).
> 1) Boots (and socks)
> 2) Pack (fit and volume)
> 3) Sleeping bag (warm but light - hypothermia)
> 4) Rain gear (hypothermia)
>
> Sorry for the rant.
>
> Shane (from work)
>
> ---- Mark Liechty <mlaccs@mlaccs.com> wrote:
> Pete Notes:
> I knew a kid from another unit who had a failure on the stitching on his
> boot sole on the first day. He had to hike the rest of the way in his
camp
> shoes. Luckily he had some fairly good tennis shoes. His feet hurt, but
he
> was able to make it. If he had only had crocs or water sox, his trip
would
> have ended early.
>
> ###########
>
> Been watching this thread with some interest as it is a good planning
> point.
>
> Pete just ended the discussion for me and mine.
>
> As a computer geek rule number 1 is that mechanical devices fail. On the
> trail you need to assume that this will be the case as well.
>
> Thanks for the lessons. Not sure I would have thunk it up on my own as
my
> boots are comfy and I don't normally need "camp shoes"
>
> Mark Liechty
> Eagle Class of 82
> Brotherhood Member OA
> mark@mlaccs.com
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