From: wmacb@bellatlantic.net
Date: Sat Jan 12 2002 - 18:45:53 CST
Rent-a-leaders? what a novel concept.=0D=0A=0D=0Aphilmont-request@tro=
op47.com wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A>philmont Digest Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:04=
:01 -0600 V01 #87=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Today's topics:=0D=0A> 'Turkey B=
ags'=0D=0A> 'Trek 30'=0D=0A> 'Re: [Philmont]: Turkey Bags'=
=0D=0A> 'RE: [Philmont]: Turkey Bags'=0D=0A> 'Conditioning P=
rogram'=0D=0A> 'Travel'=0D=0A> 'Re: [Philmont]: Travel'=0D=
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itioning Program'=0D=0A> 'Re: [Philmont]: Trek 30'=0D=0A> 'R=
e: [Philmont]: Conditioning Program'=0D=0A> 'Re: [Philmont]: Tr=
avel'=0D=0A> 'Re: [Philmont]: Trek 30'=0D=0A> 'Re: [Philmont=
]: Trek 30'=0D=0A> 'RE: [Philmont]: Trek 30'=0D=0A>=0D=0A>-----=
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=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:06:34 -0600=0D=0A>From: "Thom=
as Rogers" <tzee47@hotmail.com>=0D=0A>Subject: Turkey Bags=0D=0A>=
=0D=0A>=0D=0A>The grate you're looking for is the bakepacker. There a=
re two sizes, get the =0D=0A>larger of the two if you are going to us=
e it for Philmont. Adventure Foods =0D=0A>makes F.D. meals in bags th=
at go with the bakepacker. I've used the bag =0D=0A>method a few time=
s and it works well, But I've never tried the breads, =0D=0A>muffins =
or other dishes that adventure foods claims that can be baked using =
=0D=0A>their bakepacker.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Tom Rogers,=0D=0A>New Orleans=
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------------=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:56:40 -0500=0D=
=0A>From: "Eagen Vaughn & Judy" <vjker@mindspring.com>=0D=0A>Subj=
ect: Trek 30=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>If anyone went on Trek 30 in 2001 co=
uld you tell me about it please.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>KE=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=
=0A>------------------------------=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Date: Fri, 11 Jan 200=
2 16:37:07 -0800=0D=0A>From: "Becky Shifman" <shifman@attbi.com>=0D=
=0A>Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Turkey Bags=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>I am ge=
tting the impression from all the emails I have been reading lately=
=0D=0A>that the Philmont Expedition registration fee doesn't cover fo=
od. Is that=0D=0A>correct? Some of the emails indicated that we cou=
ld buy food that was=0D=0A>especially designed to work with the bakep=
acker device. If the food is=0D=0A>covered under the Expedition regi=
stration fee, then why would you buy and=0D=0A>carry your own food? =
Is that an option? If so, is there a credit given for=0D=0A>the food=
provided by Philmont?=0D=0A>=0D=0A>First time on a Philmont Expediti=
on - 2003 -=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Becky Shifman, Troop 834=0D=0A>San Ramon, Ca=
lifornia=0D=0A>=0D=0A>----- Original Message -----=0D=0A>From: "Thoma=
s Rogers" <tzee47@hotmail.com>=0D=0A>To: "Multiple recipients of list=
philmont" <philmont@troop47.com>=0D=0A>Sent: Friday, January 11, 200=
2 6:06 AM=0D=0A>Subject: [Philmont]: Turkey Bags=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=
=0A>>The grate you're looking for is the bakepacker. There are two si=
zes, get=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>the=0D=0A>=0D=0A>>larger of the two if you are=
going to use it for Philmont. Adventure Foods=0D=0A>>makes F.D. meal=
s in bags that go with the bakepacker. I've used the bag=0D=0A>>metho=
d a few times and it works well, But I've never tried the breads,=
=0D=0A>>muffins or other dishes that adventure foods claims that can =
be baked=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>using=0D=0A>=0D=0A>>their bakepacker.=0D=0A>>=
=0D=0A>>Tom Rogers,=0D=0A>>New Orleans=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>>_______=
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Jan 2002 20:08:33 -0500=0D=0A>From: "Tom Foss" <tomfoss@usa.net>=0D=
=0A>Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Turkey Bags=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>The foo=
d is included. I saw a post that indicated you can buy 'extra'=0D=
=0A>food for pre-trek practice runs, in the event your crew is not al=
ready=0D=0A>used to cooking that kind of food.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>-----Orig=
inal Message-----=0D=0A>From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owne=
r-philmont@troop47.com] On=0D=0A>Behalf Of Becky Shifman=0D=0A>Sent: =
Friday, January 11, 2002 7:37 PM=0D=0A>To: Multiple recipients of lis=
t philmont=0D=0A>Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Turkey Bags=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=
=0D=0A>I am getting the impression from all the emails I have been re=
ading=0D=0A>lately that the Philmont Expedition registration fee does=
n't cover food.=0D=0A>Is that correct? Some of the emails indicated =
that we could buy food=0D=0A>that was especially designed to work wit=
h the bakepacker device. If the=0D=0A>food is covered under the Expe=
dition registration fee, then why would=0D=0A>you buy and carry your =
own food? Is that an option? If so, is there a=0D=0A>credit given f=
or the food provided by Philmont?=0D=0A>=0D=0A>First time on a Philmo=
nt Expedition - 2003 -=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Becky Shifman, Troop 834=0D=0A>Sa=
n Ramon, California=0D=0A>=0D=0A>----- Original Message -----=0D=0A>F=
rom: "Thomas Rogers" <tzee47@hotmail.com>=0D=0A>To: "Multiple recipie=
nts of list philmont" <philmont@troop47.com>=0D=0A>Sent: Friday, Janu=
ary 11, 2002 6:06 AM=0D=0A>Subject: [Philmont]: Turkey Bags=0D=0A>=
=0D=0A>=0D=0A>>The grate you're looking for is the bakepacker. There =
are two sizes, =0D=0A>>get=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>the=0D=0A>=0D=0A>>larger of =
the two if you are going to use it for Philmont. Adventure =0D=0A>>Fo=
ods makes F.D. meals in bags that go with the bakepacker. I've used =
=0D=0A>>the bag method a few times and it works well, But I've never =
tried the=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>>breads, muffins or other dishes that =
adventure foods claims that can =0D=0A>>be baked=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>using=
=0D=0A>=0D=0A>>their bakepacker.=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>>Tom Rogers,=0D=0A>>Ne=
w Orleans=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>>____________________________________=
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-------------------=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:22:38 -080=
0=0D=0A>From: "Becky Shifman" <shifman@attbi.com>=0D=0A>Subject: Cond=
itioning Program=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Has anyone out there put togethe=
r a nice little schedule that would layout a=0D=0A>plan of action for=
doing some of the planning work for a Philmont=0D=0A>Expedition, suc=
h as:=0D=0A>=0D=0A>1. Preconditioning Program=0D=0A>2. Teaching=
outdoors skills=0D=0A>3. Parent and scout informational meetings=
=0D=0A>4. Checking gear=0D=0A>5. Recruiting=0D=0A>6. Travel =
planning=0D=0A>7. Etc.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>I hate to reinvent the wheel i=
f I don't have to.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>------------------------------=
=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:26:13 -0800=0D=0A>From: "Beck=
y Shifman" <shifman@attbi.com>=0D=0A>Subject: Travel=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=
=0D=0A>Any suggestions on what might be the most direct and most econ=
omical way of=0D=0A>traveling from the San Francisco bay area to Phil=
mont so that we arrive in=0D=0A>time for checking on the first day? =
Two airports I keep hearing about are:=0D=0A>Albuquerqie, NM and Colo=
rado Springs, CO. I heard that they are both about=0D=0A>the same di=
stance to Cimarron, NM. I also read about chartering buses to=0D=
=0A>get you from the airport to Cimarron but that sounds expensive.=
=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>------------------------------=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Date=
: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:33:26 -0800 (PST)=0D=0A>From: daniel a <lightma=
n2005@yahoo.com>=0D=0A>Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Travel=0D=0A>=0D=
=0A>=0D=0A>I am from Kansas City, When we went we rented a big 15=
=0D=0A>passenger van, as well as a couple leaders who also=0D=0A>drov=
e. Another popular option for troops and crews=0D=0A>here is to take =
Amtrack. I dont know if that is=0D=0A>practical for you, but it seems=
to work well here.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Daniel Ayers=0D=0A>Crew 395=0D=0A>=
=0D=0A>--- Becky Shifman <shifman@attbi.com> wrote:=0D=0A>=0D=0A>>Any=
suggestions on what might be the most direct and=0D=0A>>most economi=
cal way of=0D=0A>>traveling from the San Francisco bay area to=0D=
=0A>>Philmont so that we arrive in=0D=0A>>time for checking on the fi=
rst day? Two airports I=0D=0A>>keep hearing about are:=0D=0A>>Albuqu=
erqie, NM and Colorado Springs, CO. I heard=0D=0A>>that they are bot=
h about=0D=0A>>the same distance to Cimarron, NM. I also read=0D=
=0A>>about chartering buses to=0D=0A>>get you from the airport to Cim=
arron but that sounds=0D=0A>>expensive.=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>>=0D=
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llow=0D=0A>>Scouts and Scouters, do your best to be trustworthy,=0D=
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Jan 2002 20:41:59 EST=0D=0A>From: CoopWright@aol.com=0D=0A>Subject: R=
e: [Philmont]: Trek 30=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>--part1_94.1fb34a8=
4.2970ee67_boundary=0D=0A>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASC=
II"=0D=0A>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit=0D=0A>=0D=0A>I've done Trek=
30 four times and I think it is the best one on the ranch. =0D=0A>T=
he first day on the trail is the hike from Ponil Turnaround to Sioux.=
As =0D=0A>you walk through Ponil, be sure to stop at the sign indic=
ating the first gift =0D=0A>of land by Waite Phillips to BSA. This w=
as backcountry headquarters in 1938. =0D=0A> Although it is a crew de=
cision, I try to stay out of the cantina. The guys =0D=0A>in the can=
tina are typically on their last day on the trail and you are on =
=0D=0A>your first. Not a good idea. On your way up to Sioux, be sur=
e to fill your =0D=0A>canteens and water bags at the base of the hill=
going up. It will save a =0D=0A>return trip.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>On Day 2 =
head north to Bent, then over Wilson Mesa, one of Philmont's =0D=0A>p=
rettiest places. Logistics will try and talk you into going back to =
Ponil =0D=0A>and picking up burros. The burros are an experience in =
themselves, but the =0D=0A>views from Wilson Mesa are spectacular. Y=
ou should be into Peublano for =0D=0A>lunch. Be sure to do the spar =
pole climbing. Also, Peublano's campfire =0D=0A>traditionally has be=
en pretty good.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>On Day 3 you will hike thru Peublano Rui=
ns to Ewells Park, one of my favorite =0D=0A>trail camps. A beautifu=
l high meadow surrounded by aspen. The spring is in =0D=0A>the south=
section, in the aspens. Be sure to look at all the campsites. =
=0D=0A>Don't just check the first one. Set up camp and head down to =
Miranda for =0D=0A>black powder rifle.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Day 4 is Baldy da=
y. Get up early, bring empty packs for your commissary =0D=0A>stop, =
warm clothes, raingear, Polar Pure, two canteens per person and showe=
r =0D=0A>gear. Hike to Baldy Town and eat breakfast there. You can =
ask the staff to =0D=0A>leave your extra empty packs for your food pi=
ckup and your shower gear behind =0D=0A>under the commissary. You mu=
st start your hike from Baldy Town by 8 am or =0D=0A>the staff will n=
ot let you go up because of lightning danger in the =0D=0A>afternoons=
. Once out of the treeline, don't forget to spend time in the =0D=
=0A>meadow in the saddle just before the final ascent. Too many crew=
s focus on =0D=0A>the peak and miss this awesome place. Head down th=
e back side of Baldy into =0D=0A>Copper Park and have lunch. It is d=
ecision time for the crew whether or not =0D=0A>to go to French Henry=
. We typically do not since we will have the same =0D=0A>program at =
Cyphers Mine. After showers and food at Baldy Town, head back to =
=0D=0A>Ewells.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Day 5 is a hike into Head of Dean. If yo=
u get there early enough, you can do =0D=0A>morning program, but it m=
eans getting out off camp at first light and eating =0D=0A>breakfast =
on the trail. The new trail from Baldy Skyline is awesome!!!!! =
=0D=0A>Head of Dean has a nice spot for layover crews. We typically =
set up our tarp =0D=0A>and hang out. You may be doing your conservat=
ion project at Head of Dean, so =0D=0A>you will be spending a full da=
y there. We typically eat supper for lunch at =0D=0A>Head of Dean be=
cause of their reliable water. Be sure to check with the =0D=0A>staf=
f on the water at Santa Claus before you head out for your overnight =
stay =0D=0A>there.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Day 6 is nothing but hiking. Another=
bust out of camp early. Be sure to =0D=0A>camel up because your nex=
t good water is at Vista Grande. The hike down Bear =0D=0A>Canyon is=
very nice thanks to lots of trail work. Cross over Highway 64 and =
=0D=0A>the Cimarron River (don't get water because you will have to d=
ouble purify =0D=0A>it). The climb up to Vista Grande offers some aw=
esome views of Baldy. Have =0D=0A>supper for lunch at Vista Grande. =
The spring is usually flowing, but not =0D=0A>very quickly. The wal=
k into Deer Lake Mesa has some great views of Midnight =0D=0A>Mesa. =
The reservoir at Deer Lake Mesa is pretty funky, so get your water =
=0D=0A>downstream of the reservoir.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Day 7 is another ear=
ly out day (are you seeing a trend here?) You want to be =0D=0A>at U=
te Gulch commissary eating your breakfast and waiting for it to open =
for =0D=0A>your re-supply. The commissary has good water too. Once =
you get your food, =0D=0A>it is time to move out to Cimaroncito. If =
you get there early, you might get =0D=0A>a morning rock climb. If i=
t is a late morning rock climb, you will have time =0D=0A>for a showe=
r. Instead of taking the short way to Clark's Fork, we usually go =
=0D=0A>thru Hidden Valley. It takes a couple of hours longer, but yo=
u have a =0D=0A>wonderful hike with awesome views from window rock. =
At Clark's Fork, you =0D=0A>will get a chance to brand your boots and=
have a chuck wagon dinner. Be sure =0D=0A>to take in the western ca=
mpfire.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Day 8 is all uphill (no kidding). Again an earl=
y morning out of camp. Just =0D=0A>before the turnoff to the trail l=
eading the Cyphers, stop at the Hunters =0D=0A>Cabin. This is a grea=
t spot and you will get a chance to find out more about =0D=0A>Waite =
Phillips. The trail to Cyphers is okay with the first part in the =
=0D=0A>shade. The last section is on a 4 wheel drive road which is a=
bummer. At =0D=0A>Cyphers you will be given an Adirondack shelter f=
or your crew. Be sure to do =0D=0A>the forge and take the mine tour!=
!! That evening is the stomp which is a =0D=0A>real hoot.=0D=0A>=
=0D=0A>Day 9 is another uphill day without program. Take the trail (=
NOT the 4-wheel =0D=0A>drive) out of camp and switchback up to Thunde=
r Ridge. At Thunder Ridge you =0D=0A>can take a break before the fin=
al climb to Commanche Peak. Before heading =0D=0A>down to Red Hills,=
hang your food and side hike Phillips. You will not =0D=0A>regret t=
he views to the west. Red Hills is my least favorite camp with very =
=0D=0A>little room for tents. The last time I was there, the latrine=
was high up in =0D=0A>an open area so you can wave to the crews as y=
ou do your daily dump. =0D=0A>=0D=0A>Day 10 is another beaut. There=
are several ways to get to Shaefer Pass. The =0D=0A>first is to go =
thru the saddle between Comanche Peak and Big Red, follow the =0D=
=0A>4-wheel drive road to Comanche Pass and follow the ridge in. Som=
e big =0D=0A>disadvantages; the trail is very poorly marked (even my =
buddy Dr. Bob got =0D=0A>lost) and there is no water. The second is =
to take the trail thru the saddle =0D=0A>between Big Red and Bonita P=
eak into Black Mountain Camp. From there you can =0D=0A>either follo=
w the North Fork Urraca trail into North Forth Urraca camp or go =
=0D=0A>up to Black Mountain (the Black Death) and follow the ridge in=
. We usually =0D=0A>take North Fork Urraca because it offers lots of=
water and the trail is =0D=0A>beautiful and easy to follow. We eat =
supper for lunch and then head up to =0D=0A>Shaefers Pass.=0D=0A>=
=0D=0A>Day 11 is your final day on the trail. We get up early enough=
so we can be =0D=0A>on the top of Shaefer's Peak for sunrise. Last =
time we got up there we =0D=0A>shared it with about 4 other crews. W=
hat a wonderful experience. Then it is =0D=0A>off to the Tooth. Go =
ahead, climb it. It will be your last climb of the =0D=0A>trek, I pr=
omise. From the Tooth into Base Camp is a death march. The new =
=0D=0A>trail has you switchbacking several times in front of base cam=
p. By the time =0D=0A>you get, you will probably be completely out o=
f water.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Trek 30 is a great trek that offers the very be=
st of Philmont. Be sure you =0D=0A>know what you are doing on Day 10=
!!!! I can't believe that it has be =0D=0A>downgraded to a strennous=
hike. Check out the amount of climbing that you =0D=0A>will be doin=
g. This is one of the hardest treks at Philmont.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Cooper=
Wright=0D=0A>Advisor, Crew 1519=0D=0A>Co-author of the Philmont Advi=
sor's Guide=0D=0A>Alexandria, VA =0D=0A>=0D=0A>--part1_94.1fb34a84.29=
70ee67_boundary=0D=0A>Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII"=
=0D=0A>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit=0D=0A>=0D=0A><HTML><FONT FACE=
=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I've done Trek 30 four times and I=
think it is the best one on the ranch. The first day on the tr=
ail is the hike from Ponil Turnaround to Sioux. As you walk thr=
ough Ponil, be sure to stop at the sign indicating the first gift of =
land by Waite Phillips to BSA. This was backcountry headquarter=
s in 1938. Although it is a crew decision, I try to stay out of=
the cantina. The guys in the cantina are typically on their la=
st day on the trail and you are on your first. Not a good idea.=
On your way up to Sioux, be sure to fill your canteens and wat=
er bags at the base of the hill going up. It will save a return=
trip.=0D=0A><BR>=0D=0A><BR>On Day 2 head north to Bent, then over Wi=
lson Mesa, one of Philmont's prettiest places. Logistics will t=
ry and talk you into going back to Ponil and picking up burros.  =
;The burros are an experience in themselves, but the views from Wilso=
n Mesa are spectacular. You should be into Peublano for lunch. =
Be sure to do the spar pole climbing. Also, Peublano's ca=
mpfire traditionally has been pretty good.=0D=0A><BR>=0D=0A><BR>On Da=
y 3 you will hike thru Peublano Ruins to Ewells Park, one of my favor=
ite trail camps. A beautiful high meadow surrounded by aspen. &=
nbsp;The spring is in the south section, in the aspens. Be sure=
to look at all the campsites. Don't just check the first one. =
Set up camp and head down to Miranda for black powder rifle.=
=0D=0A><BR>=0D=0A><BR>Day 4 is Baldy day. Get up early, bring e=
mpty packs for your commissary stop, warm clothes, raingear, Polar Pu=
re, two canteens per person and shower gear. Hike to Baldy Town=
and eat breakfast there. You can ask the staff to leave your e=
xtra empty packs for your food pickup and your shower gear behind und=
er the commissary. You must start your hike from Baldy Town by =
8 am or the staff will not let you go up because of lightning danger =
in the afternoons. Once out of the treeline, don't forget to sp=
end time in the meadow in the saddle just before the final ascent. &n=
bsp;Too many crews focus on the peak and miss this awesome place. &nb=
sp;Head down the back side of Baldy into Copper Park and have lunch. =
It is decision time for the crew whether or not to go to French=
Henry. We typically do not since we will have the same program=
at Cyphers Mine. After showers and food at Baldy Town, head ba=
ck to Ewells.=0D=0A><BR>=0D=0A><BR>Day 5 is a hike into Head of Dean.=
If you get there early enough, you can do morning program, but=
it means getting out off camp at first light and eating breakfast on=
the trail. The new trail from Baldy Skyline is awesome!!!!! &n=
bsp;Head of Dean has a nice spot for layover crews. We typicall=
y set up our tarp and hang out. You may be doing your conservat=
ion project at Head of Dean, so you will be spending a full day there=
. We typically eat supper for lunch at Head of Dean because of =
their reliable water. Be sure to check with the staff on the wa=
ter at Santa Claus before you head out for your overnight stay there.=
=0D=0A><BR>=0D=0A><BR>Day 6 is nothing but hiking. Another bust=
out of camp early. Be sure to camel up because your next good =
water is at Vista Grande. The hike down Bear Canyon is very nic=
e thanks to lots of trail work. Cross over Highway 64 and the C=
imarron River (don't get water because you will have to double purify=
it). The climb up to Vista Grande offers some awesome views of=
Baldy. Have supper for lunch at Vista Grande. The spring=
is usually flowing, but not very quickly. The walk into Deer L=
ake Mesa has some great views of Midnight Mesa. The reservoir a=
t Deer Lake Mesa is pretty funky, so get your water downstream of the=
reservoir.=0D=0A><BR>=0D=0A><BR>Day 7 is another early out day (are =
you seeing a trend here?) You want to be at Ute Gulch commissar=
y eating your breakfast and waiting for it to open for your re-supply=
. The commissary has good water too. Once you get your fo=
od, it is time to move out to Cimaroncito. If you get there ear=
ly, you might get a morning rock climb. If it is a late morning=
rock climb, you will have time for a shower. Instead of taking=
the short way to Clark's Fork, we usually go thru Hidden Valley. &nb=
sp;It takes a couple of hours longer, but you have a wonderful hike w=
ith awesome views from window rock. At Clark's Fork, you will g=
et a chance to brand your boots and have a chuck wagon dinner. =
Be sure to take in the western campfire.=0D=0A><BR>=0D=0A><BR>Day 8 i=
s all uphill (no kidding). Again an early morning out of camp. =
Just before the turnoff to the trail leading the Cyphers, stop =
at the Hunters Cabin. This is a great spot and you will get a c=
hance to find out more about Waite Phillips. The trail to Cyphe=
rs is okay with the first part in the shade. The last section i=
s on a 4 wheel drive road which is a bummer. At Cyphers you wil=
l be given an Adirondack shelter for your crew. Be sure to do t=
he forge and take the mine tour!!! That evening is the stomp wh=
ich is a real hoot.=0D=0A><BR>=0D=0A><BR>Day 9 is another uphill day =
without program. Take the trail (NOT the 4-wheel drive) out of =
camp and switchback up to Thunder Ridge. At Thunder Ridge you c=
an take a break before the final climb to Commanche Peak. Befor=
e heading down to Red Hills, hang your food and side hike Phillips. &=
nbsp;You will not regret the views to the west. Red Hills is my=
least favorite camp with very little room for tents. The last =
time I was there, the latrine was high up in an open area so you can =
wave to the crews as you do your daily dump. =0D=0A><BR>=0D=
=0A><BR>Day 10 is another beaut. There are several ways to get =
to Shaefer Pass. The first is to go thru the saddle between Com=
anche Peak and Big Red, follow the 4-wheel drive road to Comanche Pas=
s and follow the ridge in. Some big disadvantages; the trail is=
very poorly marked (even my buddy Dr. Bob got lost) and there is no =
water. The second is to take the trail thru the saddle between =
Big Red and Bonita Peak into Black Mountain Camp. From there yo=
u can either follow the North Fork Urraca trail into North Forth Urra=
ca camp or go up to Black Mountain (the Black Death) and follow the r=
idge in. We usually take North Fork Urraca because it offers lo=
ts of water and the trail is beautiful and easy to follow. We e=
at supper for lunch and then head up to Shaefers Pass.=0D=0A><BR>=
=0D=0A><BR>Day 11 is your final day on the trail. We get up ear=
ly enough so we can be on the top of Shaefer's Peak for sunrise. &nbs=
p;Last time we got up there we shared it with about 4 other crews. &n=
bsp;What a wonderful experience. Then it is off to the Tooth. &=
nbsp;Go ahead, climb it. It will be your last climb of the trek=
, I promise. From the Tooth into Base Camp is a death march. &n=
bsp;The new trail has you switchbacking several times in front of bas=
e camp. By the time you get, you will probably be completely ou=
t of water.=0D=0A><BR>=0D=0A><BR>Trek 30 is a great trek that offers =
the very best of Philmont. Be sure you know what you are doing =
on Day 10!!!! I can't believe that it has be downgraded to a st=
rennous hike. Check out the amount of climbing that you will be=
doing. This is one of the hardest treks at Philmont.=0D=0A><BR=
>=0D=0A><BR>Cooper Wright=0D=0A><BR>Advisor, Crew 1519=0D=0A><BR>Co-a=
uthor of the Philmont Advisor's Guide=0D=0A><BR>Alexandria, VA </FONT=
></HTML>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>--part1_94.1fb34a84.2970ee67_boundary--=0D=0A>=
=0D=0A>------------------------------=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Date: Fri, 11 Jan =
2002 20:44:50 EST=0D=0A>From: CoopWright@aol.com=0D=0A>Subject: Re: [=
Philmont]: Conditioning Program=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>--part1_a=
8.4caa132.2970ef12_boundary=0D=0A>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=
=3D"US-ASCII"=0D=0A>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Beck=
y=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Have you got your copy of the Philmont Advisor's Guide=
? It is a 78 page =0D=0A>document put out by Wally Feurtado and myse=
lf that covers lots of your =0D=0A>questions. E-mail me if you are i=
nterested.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Cooper Wright=0D=0A>Advisor, Crew 1519=0D=
=0A>Co-author of the Philmont Advisor's Guide=0D=0A>=0D=0A>--part1_a8=
.4caa132.2970ef12_boundary=0D=0A>Content-Type: text/html; charset=
=3D"US-ASCII"=0D=0A>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit=0D=0A>=0D=0A><HTM=
L><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Becky=0D=0A><BR>=0D=
=0A><BR>Have you got your copy of the Philmont Advisor's Guide?  =
;It is a 78 page document put out by Wally Feurtado and myself that c=
overs lots of your questions. E-mail me if you are interested.=
=0D=0A><BR>=0D=0A><BR>Cooper Wright=0D=0A><BR>Advisor, Crew 1519=0D=
=0A><BR>Co-author of the Philmont Advisor's Guide</FONT></HTML>=0D=
=0A>=0D=0A>--part1_a8.4caa132.2970ef12_boundary--=0D=0A>=0D=0A>------=
------------------------=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:58:18=
-0800=0D=0A>From: "Becky Shifman" <shifman@attbi.com>=0D=0A>Subject:=
Re: [Philmont]: Trek 30=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>This is a multi-part me=
ssage in MIME format.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>------=3D_NextPart_000_0043_01C19A=
C9.8CB28BE0=0D=0A>Content-Type: text/plain;=0D=0A>=09charset=3D"iso-8=
859-1"=0D=0A>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=0D=0A>=0D=
=0A>How many miles are involved in the Trek 30 (not counting side tri=
ps) and =3D=0D=0A>is this a 2 week expedition?=0D=0A> ----- Original=
Message -----=3D20=0D=0A> From: CoopWright@aol.com=3D20=0D=0A> To:=
Multiple recipients of list philmont=3D20=0D=0A> Sent: Friday, Janu=
ary 11, 2002 5:41 PM=0D=0A> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Trek 30=0D=0A>=
=0D=0A>=0D=0A> I've done Trek 30 four times and I think it is the be=
st one on the =3D=0D=0A>ranch. The first day on the trail is the hik=
e from Ponil Turnaround to =3D=0D=0A>Sioux. As you walk through Poni=
l, be sure to stop at the sign =3D=0D=0A>indicating the first gift of=
land by Waite Phillips to BSA. This was =3D=0D=0A>backcountry headq=
uarters in 1938. Although it is a crew decision, I try =3D=0D=0A>to =
stay out of the cantina. The guys in the cantina are typically on =
=3D=0D=0A>their last day on the trail and you are on your first. Not=
a good idea. =3D=0D=0A> On your way up to Sioux, be sure to fill you=
r canteens and water bags =3D=0D=0A>at the base of the hill going up.=
It will save a return trip.=3D20=0D=0A>=0D=0A> On Day 2 head north=
to Bent, then over Wilson Mesa, one of Philmont's =3D=0D=0A>pretties=
t places. Logistics will try and talk you into going back to =3D=
=0D=0A>Ponil and picking up burros. The burros are an experience in =
=3D=0D=0A>themselves, but the views from Wilson Mesa are spectacular.=
You should =3D=0D=0A>be into Peublano for lunch. Be sure to do the=
spar pole climbing. =3D=0D=0A>Also, Peublano's campfire traditional=
ly has been pretty good.=3D20=0D=0A>=0D=0A> On Day 3 you will hike t=
hru Peublano Ruins to Ewells Park, one of my =3D=0D=0A>favorite trail=
camps. A beautiful high meadow surrounded by aspen. The =3D=0D=
=0A>spring is in the south section, in the aspens. Be sure to look a=
t all =3D=0D=0A>the campsites. Don't just check the first one. Set =
up camp and head =3D=0D=0A>down to Miranda for black powder rifle.=
=3D20=0D=0A>=0D=0A> Day 4 is Baldy day. Get up early, bring empty p=
acks for your =3D=0D=0A>commissary stop, warm clothes, raingear, Pola=
r Pure, two canteens per =3D=0D=0A>person and shower gear. Hike to B=
aldy Town and eat breakfast there. =3D=0D=0A>You can ask the staff t=
o leave your extra empty packs for your food =3D=0D=0A>pickup and you=
r shower gear behind under the commissary. You must start =3D=0D=
=0A>your hike from Baldy Town by 8 am or the staff will not let you g=
o up =3D=0D=0A>because of lightning danger in the afternoons. Once o=
ut of the =3D=0D=0A>treeline, don't forget to spend time in the meado=
w in the saddle just =3D=0D=0A>before the final ascent. Too many cre=
ws focus on the peak and miss this =3D=0D=0A>awesome place. Head dow=
n the back side of Baldy into Copper Park and =3D=0D=0A>have lunch. =
It is decision time for the crew whether or not to go to =3D=0D=0A>Fr=
ench Henry. We typically do not since we will have the same program =
=3D=0D=0A>at Cyphers Mine. After showers and food at Baldy Town, hea=
d back to =3D=0D=0A>Ewells.=3D20=0D=0A>=0D=0A> Day 5 is a hike into =
Head of Dean. If you get there early enough, you =3D=0D=0A>can do mo=
rning program, but it means getting out off camp at first light =3D=
=0D=0A>and eating breakfast on the trail. The new trail from Baldy S=
kyline is =3D=0D=0A>awesome!!!!! Head of Dean has a nice spot for la=
yover crews. We =3D=0D=0A>typically set up our tarp and hang out. Y=
ou may be doing your =3D=0D=0A>conservation project at Head of Dean, =
so you will be spending a full day =3D=0D=0A>there. We typically eat=
supper for lunch at Head of Dean because of =3D=0D=0A>their reliable=
water. Be sure to check with the staff on the water at =3D=0D=0A>Sa=
nta Claus before you head out for your overnight stay there.=3D20=
=0D=0A>=0D=0A> Day 6 is nothing but hiking. Another bust out of cam=
p early. Be sure =3D=0D=0A>to camel up because your next good water =
is at Vista Grande. The hike =3D=0D=0A>down Bear Canyon is very nice=
thanks to lots of trail work. Cross over =3D=0D=0A>Highway 64 and t=
he Cimarron River (don't get water because you will have =3D=0D=0A>to=
double purify it). The climb up to Vista Grande offers some awesome=
=3D=0D=0A>views of Baldy. Have supper for lunch at Vista Grande. T=
he spring is =3D=0D=0A>usually flowing, but not very quickly. The wa=
lk into Deer Lake Mesa has =3D=0D=0A>some great views of Midnight Mes=
a. The reservoir at Deer Lake Mesa is =3D=0D=0A>pretty funky, so get=
your water downstream of the reservoir.=3D20=0D=0A>=0D=0A> Day 7 is=
another early out day (are you seeing a trend here?) You =3D=0D=
=0A>want to be at Ute Gulch commissary eating your breakfast and wait=
ing for =3D=0D=0A>it to open for your re-supply. The commissary has =
good water too. Once =3D=0D=0A>you get your food, it is time to move=
out to Cimaroncito. If you get =3D=0D=0A>there early, you might get=
a morning rock climb. If it is a late =3D=0D=0A>morning rock climb,=
you will have time for a shower. Instead of taking =3D=0D=0A>the sh=
ort way to Clark's Fork, we usually go thru Hidden Valley. It =3D=
=0D=0A>takes a couple of hours longer, but you have a wonderful hike =
with =3D=0D=0A>awesome views from window rock. At Clark's Fork, you =
will get a chance =3D=0D=0A>to brand your boots and have a chuck wago=
n dinner. Be sure to take in =3D=0D=0A>the western campfire.=3D20=
=0D=0A>=0D=0A> Day 8 is all uphill (no kidding). Again an early mor=
ning out of camp. =3D=0D=0A> Just before the turnoff to the trail lea=
ding the Cyphers, stop at the =3D=0D=0A>Hunters Cabin. This is a gre=
at spot and you will get a chance to find =3D=0D=0A>out more about Wa=
ite Phillips. The trail to Cyphers is okay with the =3D=0D=0A>first =
part in the shade. The last section is on a 4 wheel drive road =3D=
=0D=0A>which is a bummer. At Cyphers you will be given an Adirondack=
shelter =3D=0D=0A>for your crew. Be sure to do the forge and take t=
he mine tour!!! That =3D=0D=0A>evening is the stomp which is a real =
hoot.=3D20=0D=0A>=0D=0A> Day 9 is another uphill day without program=
. Take the trail (NOT the =3D=0D=0A>4-wheel drive) out of camp and s=
witchback up to Thunder Ridge. At =3D=0D=0A>Thunder Ridge you can ta=
ke a break before the final climb to Commanche =3D=0D=0A>Peak. Befor=
e heading down to Red Hills, hang your food and side hike =3D=0D=0A>P=
hillips. You will not regret the views to the west. Red Hills is my=
=3D=0D=0A>least favorite camp with very little room for tents. The =
last time I =3D=0D=0A>was there, the latrine was high up in an open a=
rea so you can wave to =3D=0D=0A>the crews as you do your daily dump.=
=3D20=0D=0A>=0D=0A> Day 10 is another beaut. There are several wa=
ys to get to Shaefer =3D=0D=0A>Pass. The first is to go thru the sad=
dle between Comanche Peak and Big =3D=0D=0A>Red, follow the 4-wheel d=
rive road to Comanche Pass and follow the ridge =3D=0D=0A>in. Some b=
ig disadvantages; the trail is very poorly marked (even my =3D=0D=
=0A>buddy Dr. Bob got lost) and there is no water. The second is to =
take =3D=0D=0A>the trail thru the saddle between Big Red and Bonita P=
eak into Black =3D=0D=0A>Mountain Camp. From there you can either fo=
llow the North Fork Urraca =3D=0D=0A>trail into North Forth Urraca ca=
mp or go up to Black Mountain (the Black =3D=0D=0A>Death) and follow =
the ridge in. We usually take North Fork Urraca =3D=0D=0A>because it=
offers lots of water and the trail is beautiful and easy to =3D=0D=
=0A>follow. We eat supper for lunch and then head up to Shaefers Pas=
s.=3D20=0D=0A>=0D=0A> Day 11 is your final day on the trail. We get=
up early enough so we =3D=0D=0A>can be on the top of Shaefer's Peak =
for sunrise. Last time we got up =3D=0D=0A>there we shared it with a=
bout 4 other crews. What a wonderful =3D=0D=0A>experience. Then it =
is off to the Tooth. Go ahead, climb it. It will =3D=0D=0A>be your =
last climb of the trek, I promise. From the Tooth into Base =3D=0D=
=0A>Camp is a death march. The new trail has you switchbacking sever=
al =3D=0D=0A>times in front of base camp. By the time you get, you w=
ill probably be =3D=0D=0A>completely out of water.=3D20=0D=0A>=0D=
=0A> Trek 30 is a great trek that offers the very best of Philmont. =
Be =3D=0D=0A>sure you know what you are doing on Day 10!!!! I can't=
believe that it =3D=0D=0A>has be downgraded to a strennous hike. Ch=
eck out the amount of climbing =3D=0D=0A>that you will be doing. Thi=
s is one of the hardest treks at Philmont.=3D20=0D=0A>=0D=0A> Cooper=
Wright=3D20=0D=0A> Advisor, Crew 1519=3D20=0D=0A> Co-author of the=
Philmont Advisor's Guide=3D20=0D=0A> Alexandria, VA=3D20=0D=0A>=
=0D=0A>------=3D_NextPart_000_0043_01C19AC9.8CB28BE0=0D=0A>Content-Ty=
pe: text/html;=0D=0A>=09charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=0D=0A>Content-Transfer=
-Encoding: quoted-printable=0D=0A>=0D=0A><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3=
C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">=0D=0A><HTML><HEAD>=0D=0A><META htt=
p-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D=0D=0A>charset=
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e=3D3DGENERATOR>=0D=0A><STYLE></STYLE>=0D=0A></HEAD>=0D=0A><BODY bgCo=
lor=3D3D#ffffff>=0D=0A><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>How many =
miles are involved in the Trek =3D=0D=0A>30 (not=3D20=0D=0A>counting =
side trips) and is this a 2 week expedition?</FONT></DIV>=0D=0A><BLOC=
KQUOTE=3D20=0D=0A>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; M=
ARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D=0D=0A>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIG=
HT: 0px">=0D=0A> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Me=
ssage ----- </DIV>=0D=0A> <DIV=3D20=0D=0A> style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #=
e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D=0D=0A>black"><B>From:</B>=
=3D20=0D=0A> <A title=3D3DCoopWright@aol.com=3D20=0D=0A> href=3D3D"=
mailto:CoopWright@aol.com">CoopWright@aol.com</A> </DIV>=0D=0A> <DIV=
style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D=0D=0A>title=3D3Dphilm=
ont@troop47.com=3D20=0D=0A> href=3D3D"mailto:philmont@troop47.com">M=
ultiple recipients of list =3D=0D=0A>philmont</A>=3D20=0D=0A> </DIV>=
=0D=0A> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, Janua=
ry 11, 2002 =3D=0D=0A>5:41=3D20=0D=0A> PM</DIV>=0D=0A> <DIV style=
=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Philmont]: Trek =3D=0D=
=0A>30</DIV>=0D=0A> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><F=
ONT size=3D3D2>I've done =3D=0D=0A>Trek 30 four=3D20=0D=0A> times an=
d I think it is the best one on the ranch. The first day =3D=
=0D=0A>on the=3D20=0D=0A> trail is the hike from Ponil Turnaround to=
Sioux. As you walk =3D=0D=0A>through=3D20=0D=0A> Ponil, be su=
re to stop at the sign indicating the first gift of land =3D=0D=0A>by=
Waite=3D20=0D=0A> Phillips to BSA. This was backcountry headq=
uarters in 1938.=3D20=0D=0A> Although it is a crew decision, I=
try to stay out of the =3D=0D=0A>cantina.=3D20=0D=0A> The guy=
s in the cantina are typically on their last day on the =3D=0D=0A>tra=
il and=3D20=0D=0A> you are on your first. Not a good idea. &nb=
sp;On your way up to =3D=0D=0A>Sioux,=3D20=0D=0A> be sure to fill yo=
ur canteens and water bags at the base of the hill =3D=0D=0A>going up=
.=3D20=0D=0A> It will save a return trip. <BR><BR>On Day 2 hea=
d north to Bent, =3D=0D=0A>then=3D20=0D=0A> over Wilson Mesa, one of=
Philmont's prettiest places. Logistics =3D=0D=0A>will try=3D20=
=0D=0A> and talk you into going back to Ponil and picking up burros.=
The =3D=0D=0A>burros=3D20=0D=0A> are an experience in themsel=
ves, but the views from Wilson Mesa are=3D20=0D=0A> spectacular. &nb=
sp;You should be into Peublano for lunch. Be =3D=0D=0A>sure to =
do=3D20=0D=0A> the spar pole climbing. Also, Peublano's campfi=
re traditionally =3D=0D=0A>has been=3D20=0D=0A> pretty good. <BR><BR=
>On Day 3 you will hike thru Peublano Ruins to =3D=0D=0A>Ewells=3D20=
=0D=0A> Park, one of my favorite trail camps. A beautiful high=
meadow =3D=0D=0A>surrounded=3D20=0D=0A> by aspen. The spring =
is in the south section, in the aspens. =3D=0D=0A> Be=3D20=0D=
=0A> sure to look at all the campsites. Don't just check the f=
irst =3D=0D=0A>one.=3D20=0D=0A> Set up camp and head down to M=
iranda for black powder rifle. =3D=0D=0A><BR><BR>Day=3D20=0D=0A> 4 i=
s Baldy day. Get up early, bring empty packs for your =3D=0D=
=0A>commissary=3D20=0D=0A> stop, warm clothes, raingear, Polar Pure,=
two canteens per person and =3D=0D=0A>shower=3D20=0D=0A> gear. &nbs=
p;Hike to Baldy Town and eat breakfast there. You can =3D=0D=
=0A>ask the=3D20=0D=0A> staff to leave your extra empty packs for yo=
ur food pickup and your =3D=0D=0A>shower=3D20=0D=0A> gear behind und=
er the commissary. You must start your hike from =3D=0D=0A>Bald=
y=3D20=0D=0A> Town by 8 am or the staff will not let you go up becau=
se of lightning =3D=0D=0A>danger=3D20=0D=0A> in the afternoons. &nbs=
p;Once out of the treeline, don't forget to =3D=0D=0A>spend time=3D20=
=0D=0A> in the meadow in the saddle just before the final ascent. &n=
bsp;Too =3D=0D=0A>many crews=3D20=0D=0A> focus on the peak and miss =
this awesome place. Head down the =3D=0D=0A>back side=3D20=0D=
=0A> of Baldy into Copper Park and have lunch. It is decision =
time =3D=0D=0A>for the=3D20=0D=0A> crew whether or not to go to Fren=
ch Henry. We typically do not =3D=0D=0A>since we=3D20=0D=0A> w=
ill have the same program at Cyphers Mine. After showers and =
=3D=0D=0A>food at=3D20=0D=0A> Baldy Town, head back to Ewells. <BR><=
BR>Day 5 is a hike into Head of =3D=0D=0A>Dean.=3D20=0D=0A> If=
you get there early enough, you can do morning program, but =3D=0D=
=0A>it means=3D20=0D=0A> getting out off camp at first light and eat=
ing breakfast on the trail. =3D=0D=0A>=0D=0A> The new trail fr=
om Baldy Skyline is awesome!!!!! Head of =3D=0D=0A>Dean has=
=3D20=0D=0A> a nice spot for layover crews. We typically set u=
p our tarp and =3D=0D=0A>hang=3D20=0D=0A> out. You may be doin=
g your conservation project at Head of Dean, =3D=0D=0A>so you=3D20=
=0D=0A> will be spending a full day there. We typically eat su=
pper for =3D=0D=0A>lunch at=3D20=0D=0A> Head of Dean because of thei=
r reliable water. Be sure to check =3D=0D=0A>with the=3D20=0D=
=0A> staff on the water at Santa Claus before you head out for your =
=3D=0D=0A>overnight stay=3D20=0D=0A> there. <BR><BR>Day 6 is nothing=
but hiking. Another bust out of =3D=0D=0A>camp=3D20=0D=0A> ea=
rly. Be sure to camel up because your next good water is at =
=3D=0D=0A>Vista=3D20=0D=0A> Grande. The hike down Bear Canyon =
is very nice thanks to lots of =3D=0D=0A>trail=3D20=0D=0A> work. &nb=
sp;Cross over Highway 64 and the Cimarron River (don't get =3D=0D=
=0A>water=3D20=0D=0A> because you will have to double purify it). &n=
bsp;The climb up to =3D=0D=0A>Vista Grande=3D20=0D=0A> offers some a=
wesome views of Baldy. Have supper for lunch at =3D=0D=0A>Vista=
=3D20=0D=0A> Grande. The spring is usually flowing, but not ve=
ry quickly. =3D=0D=0A> The=3D20=0D=0A> walk into Deer Lake Mesa=
has some great views of Midnight Mesa. =3D=0D=0A> The=3D20=0D=
=0A> reservoir at Deer Lake Mesa is pretty funky, so get your water =
=3D=0D=0A>downstream of=3D20=0D=0A> the reservoir. <BR><BR>Day 7 is =
another early out day (are you seeing =3D=0D=0A>a trend=3D20=0D=0A> =
here?) You want to be at Ute Gulch commissary eating your =3D=
=0D=0A>breakfast and=3D20=0D=0A> waiting for it to open for your re-=
supply. The commissary has =3D=0D=0A>good water=3D20=0D=0A> to=
o. Once you get your food, it is time to move out to =3D=0D=
=0A>Cimaroncito.=3D20=0D=0A> If you get there early, you might=
get a morning rock climb. =3D=0D=0A> If it=3D20=0D=0A> is a la=
te morning rock climb, you will have time for a shower. =3D=0D=0A>&nb=
sp;Instead=3D20=0D=0A> of taking the short way to Clark's Fork, we u=
sually go thru Hidden =3D=0D=0A>Valley.=3D20=0D=0A> It takes a=
couple of hours longer, but you have a wonderful hike =3D=0D=0A>with=
=3D20=0D=0A> awesome views from window rock. At Clark's Fork, =
you will get a =3D=0D=0A>chance=3D20=0D=0A> to brand your boots and =
have a chuck wagon dinner. Be sure to =3D=0D=0A>take in=3D20=
=0D=0A> the western campfire. <BR><BR>Day 8 is all uphill (no kiddin=
g). =3D=0D=0A> Again an=3D20=0D=0A> early morning out of camp. =
Just before the turnoff to the trail =3D=0D=0A>leading=3D20=
=0D=0A> the Cyphers, stop at the Hunters Cabin. This is a grea=
t spot and =3D=0D=0A>you=3D20=0D=0A> will get a chance to find out m=
ore about Waite Phillips. The =3D=0D=0A>trail to=3D20=0D=0A> C=
yphers is okay with the first part in the shade. The last =3D=
=0D=0A>section is on=3D20=0D=0A> a 4 wheel drive road which is a bum=
mer. At Cyphers you will be =3D=0D=0A>given an=3D20=0D=0A> Adi=
rondack shelter for your crew. Be sure to do the forge and =
=3D=0D=0A>take the=3D20=0D=0A> mine tour!!! That evening is th=
e stomp which is a real hoot. =3D=0D=0A><BR><BR>Day=3D20=0D=0A> 9 is=
another uphill day without program. Take the trail (NOT the =
=3D=0D=0A>4-wheel=3D20=0D=0A> drive) out of camp and switchback up t=
o Thunder Ridge. At =3D=0D=0A>Thunder Ridge=3D20=0D=0A> you ca=
n take a break before the final climb to Commanche Peak. =3D=0D=0A>&n=
bsp;Before=3D20=0D=0A> heading down to Red Hills, hang your food and=
side hike Phillips. =3D=0D=0A> You=3D20=0D=0A> will not regret=
the views to the west. Red Hills is my least =3D=0D=0A>favorit=
e=3D20=0D=0A> camp with very little room for tents. The last t=
ime I was there, =3D=0D=0A>the=3D20=0D=0A> latrine was high up in an=
open area so you can wave to the crews as =3D=0D=0A>you do=3D20=0D=
=0A> your daily dump. <BR><BR>Day 10 is another beaut. =
There =3D=0D=0A>are=3D20=0D=0A> several ways to get to Shaefer Pass.=
The first is to go thru the =3D=0D=0A>saddle=3D20=0D=0A> betw=
een Comanche Peak and Big Red, follow the 4-wheel drive road to =3D=
=0D=0A>Comanche=3D20=0D=0A> Pass and follow the ridge in. Some=
big disadvantages; the trail =3D=0D=0A>is very=3D20=0D=0A> poorly m=
arked (even my buddy Dr. Bob got lost) and there is no water.=3D20=
=0D=0A> The second is to take the trail thru the saddle betwee=
n Big Red =3D=0D=0A>and=3D20=0D=0A> Bonita Peak into Black Mountain =
Camp. From there you can either =3D=0D=0A>follow=3D20=0D=0A> t=
he North Fork Urraca trail into North Forth Urraca camp or go up to =
=3D=0D=0A>Black=3D20=0D=0A> Mountain (the Black Death) and follow th=
e ridge in. We usually =3D=0D=0A>take=3D20=0D=0A> North Fork U=
rraca because it offers lots of water and the trail is =3D=0D=0A>beau=
tiful=3D20=0D=0A> and easy to follow. We eat supper for lunch =
and then head up to =3D=0D=0A>Shaefers=3D20=0D=0A> Pass. <BR><BR>Day=
11 is your final day on the trail. We get up =3D=0D=0A>early=
=3D20=0D=0A> enough so we can be on the top of Shaefer's Peak for su=
nrise. =3D=0D=0A> Last time=3D20=0D=0A> we got up there we shar=
ed it with about 4 other crews. What a =3D=0D=0A>wonderful=3D20=
=0D=0A> experience. Then it is off to the Tooth. Go ahea=
d, climb =3D=0D=0A>it.=3D20=0D=0A> It will be your last climb =
of the trek, I promise. From =3D=0D=0A>the Tooth=3D20=0D=0A> i=
nto Base Camp is a death march. The new trail has you =3D=0D=
=0A>switchbacking=3D20=0D=0A> several times in front of base camp. &=
nbsp;By the time you get, you =3D=0D=0A>will=3D20=0D=0A> probably be=
completely out of water. <BR><BR>Trek 30 is a great trek =3D=0D=0A>t=
hat=3D20=0D=0A> offers the very best of Philmont. Be sure you =
know what you are =3D=0D=0A>doing on=3D20=0D=0A> Day 10!!!! I =
can't believe that it has be downgraded to a =3D=0D=0A>strennous=3D20=
=0D=0A> hike. Check out the amount of climbing that you will b=
e doing.=3D20=0D=0A> This is one of the hardest treks at Philm=
ont. <BR><BR>Cooper =3D=0D=0A>Wright=3D20=0D=0A> <BR>Advisor, Crew 1=
519 <BR>Co-author of the Philmont Advisor's Guide=3D20=0D=0A> <BR>Al=
exandria, VA </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>-=
-----=3D_NextPart_000_0043_01C19AC9.8CB28BE0--=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>--=
----------------------------=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:0=
1:00 -0800=0D=0A>From: "Becky Shifman" <shifman@attbi.com>=0D=0A>Subj=
ect: Re: [Philmont]: Conditioning Program=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>This i=
s a multi-part message in MIME format.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>------=3D_NextPar=
t_000_0055_01C19AC9.ED9A4920=0D=0A>Content-Type: text/plain;=0D=0A>=
=09charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=0D=0A>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-pri=
ntable=0D=0A>=0D=0A>No, I have not received the Philmont Advisor's Gu=
ide and I would really =3D=0D=0A>appreciate getting a copy of that! =
(and did I mention that I am honored =3D=0D=0A>to get an email from t=
he co-author)?=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Becky Shifman, ASM=0D=0A>Troop 834, San R=
amon, CA=0D=0A> ----- Original Message -----=3D20=0D=0A> From: Coop=
Wright@aol.com=3D20=0D=0A> To: Multiple recipients of list philmont=
=3D20=0D=0A> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 5:44 PM=0D=0A> Subject:=
Re: [Philmont]: Conditioning Program=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0A> Becky=
=3D20=0D=0A>=0D=0A> Have you got your copy of the Philmont Advisor's=
Guide? It is a 78 =3D=0D=0A>page document put out by Wally Feurtado=
and myself that covers lots of =3D=0D=0A>your questions. E-mail me =
if you are interested.=3D20=0D=0A>=0D=0A> Cooper Wright=3D20=0D=0A> =
Advisor, Crew 1519=3D20=0D=0A> Co-author of the Philmont Advisor's =
Guide=3D20=0D=0A>=0D=0A>------=3D_NextPart_000_0055_01C19AC9.ED9A4920=
=0D=0A>Content-Type: text/html;=0D=0A>=09charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=0D=
=0A>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=0D=0A>=0D=0A><!DOCTYP=
E HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">=0D=0A><HTML><H=
EAD>=0D=0A><META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =
=3D=0D=0A>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">=0D=0A><META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.=
50.4807.2300" name=3D3DGENERATOR>=0D=0A><STYLE></STYLE>=0D=0A></HEAD>=
=0D=0A><BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff>=0D=0A><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial siz=
e=3D3D2>No, I have not received the Philmont =3D=0D=0A>Advisor's=3D20=
=0D=0A>Guide and I would really appreciate getting a copy of that!&nb=
sp; (and =3D=0D=0A>did I=3D20=0D=0A>mention that I am honored to get =
an email from the =3D=0D=0A>co-author)?</FONT></DIV>=0D=0A><DIV><FONT=
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>=0D=0A><DIV><FONT face=
=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Becky Shifman, ASM</FONT></DIV>=0D=0A><DIV><FON=
T face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Troop 834, San Ramon, CA</FONT></DIV>=
=0D=0A><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20=0D=0A>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-=
LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D=0D=0A>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid=
; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">=0D=0A> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">-----=
Original Message ----- </DIV>=0D=0A> <DIV=3D20=0D=0A> style=3D3D"B=
ACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D=0D=0A>black"><B=
>From:</B>=3D20=0D=0A> <A title=3D3DCoopWright@aol.com=3D20=0D=0A> =
href=3D3D"mailto:CoopWright@aol.com">CoopWright@aol.com</A> </DIV>=
=0D=0A> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D=0D=0A>ti=
tle=3D3Dphilmont@troop47.com=3D20=0D=0A> href=3D3D"mailto:philmont@t=
roop47.com">Multiple recipients of list =3D=0D=0A>philmont</A>=3D20=
=0D=0A> </DIV>=0D=0A> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B=
> Friday, January 11, 2002 =3D=0D=0A>5:44=3D20=0D=0A> PM</DIV>=0D=
=0A> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Philmont=
]: =3D=0D=0A>Conditioning=3D20=0D=0A> Program</DIV>=0D=0A> <DIV><BR=
></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>Becky =3D=0D=
=0A><BR><BR>Have you=3D20=0D=0A> got your copy of the Philmont Advis=
or's Guide? It is a 78 page =3D=0D=0A>document=3D20=0D=0A> put=
out by Wally Feurtado and myself that covers lots of your =3D=0D=
=0A>questions.=3D20=0D=0A> E-mail me if you are interested. <B=
R><BR>Cooper Wright =3D=0D=0A><BR>Advisor, Crew=3D20=0D=0A> 1519 <BR=
>Co-author of the Philmont Advisor's Guide</FONT>=3D20=0D=0A></FONT><=
/BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>------=3D_NextPart_000_0055_0=
1C19AC9.ED9A4920--=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>------------------------------=
=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:27:29 -0500=0D=0A>From: Brian=
Gannon <bgannon@cox.rr.com>=0D=0A>Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Travel=
=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>We are flying into Denver in July and we are in =
the process of arranging ground=0D=0A>transportation through Timberli=
ne (www.go-timberline.com). For the 23 of us,=0D=0A>we are paying a =
total of $1800 roundtrip, or roughly $80 per person. I think=0D=0A>t=
hat's a reasonable rate. They will meet you at your baggage claim an=
d take=0D=0A>you right to the Welcome Center at Philmont. Transporta=
tion is available from=0D=0A>Colorado Springs and Albuquerque as well=
.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Brian Gannon=0D=0A>ASM, T-1113 - Fairfax, VA=0D=0A>718=
-G=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>------------------------------=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Da=
te: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:28:55 EST=0D=0A>From: CoopWright@aol.com=0D=
=0A>Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Trek 30=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>All treks e=
xcept for the August short treks, are 12 days long, with your =0D=
=0A>first night and last night at Base Camp and 10 nights on the trai=
l. The 2000 =0D=0A>Treks book (you should be getting yours in March)=
show Trek 30 as 69 miles, =0D=0A>however I don't buy that. Total am=
ount of climbing is 16,542 feet.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Cooper Wright=0D=0A>Adv=
isor, Crew 1519=0D=0A>Co-author of the Philmont Advisor's Guide=0D=
=0A>=0D=0A>------------------------------=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Date: Fri, 11 =
Jan 2002 21:32:38 -0500=0D=0A>From: Brian Gannon <bgannon@cox.rr.com>=
=0D=0A>Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Trek 30=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>>How man=
y miles are involved in the Trek 30 (not counting side trips)=0D=0A>>=
and is this a 2 week expedition?=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>>The TREKS book lists =
Trek 30 as 69 miles, though you should plan on=0D=0A>>hiking on more =
than that to account for side hikes, food pickups,=0D=0A>>program, et=
c. Be warned that some of the treks do change from year to=0D=0A>>ye=
ar - always check the itinerary book which is mailed in mid-March.=
=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>>All expeditions include 12 nights and 13 days at Phil=
mont. The first=0D=0A>>and last nights are spent at Camping Headquar=
ters (base camp) and the=0D=0A>>10 nights in between are spent on the=
trail. Again, detailed=0D=0A>>descriptions are available in the iti=
nerary guide.=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>>Brian Gannon=0D=0A>>ASM, T-1113 - Fairfa=
x, VA=0D=0A>>718-G=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>----------------------=
--------=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:09:42 -0500=0D=0A>Fro=
m: "Tom Foss" <tomfoss@usa.net>=0D=0A>Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Trek =
30=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Our guys estimated that with Baldy & Phillips =
as side trips, and we did=0D=0A>Wilson Mesa, the total trek was close=
to 93 miles=0D=0A>=0D=0A>-----Original Message-----=0D=0A>From: owne=
r-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On=0D=0A>B=
ehalf Of CoopWright@aol.com=0D=0A>Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:29=
PM=0D=0A>To: Multiple recipients of list philmont=0D=0A>Subject: Re:=
[Philmont]: Trek 30=0D=0A>=0D=0A>=0D=0A>All treks except for the Aug=
ust short treks, are 12 days long, with your=0D=0A>=0D=0A>first night=
and last night at Base Camp and 10 nights on the trail. The=0D=0A>2=
000 =0D=0A>Treks book (you should be getting yours in March) show Tre=
k 30 as 69=0D=0A>miles, =0D=0A>however I don't buy that. Total amoun=
t of climbing is 16,542 feet.=0D=0A>=0D=0A>Cooper Wright=0D=0A>Adviso=
r, Crew 1519=0D=0A>Co-author of the Philmont Advisor's Guide=0D=0A>=
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