From: Feurtado, Walter (Contractor) (Walter.Feurtado@ed.gov)
Date: Wed Jan 22 2003 - 10:59:59 CST
The easiest way to remove a hiker from a crew is to first outline the
requirements up front before they signup. While some advisors paint
Philmont to be a "death march", what I look for in a scout is as follows:
1. The scout wants to go and is not being forced by parents or friends.
When a scout is the person deciding whether they want to go they are also
making the commitment toward being in shape and doing what is required to
stay on the trail.
2. Scout maturity - The scout can take care of himself (drink water
purified with iodine, eat the food, clean himself daily, and self medicate
when on medicine)
3. The scout can operate within a patrol environment as either the
leader or member (they do the work).
4. Learning disabilities or emotional disorders are discussed with
advisors in confidence. ADD and AD/HD are of concern especially when
"sequencing" is involved. Let the advisor know that your hiker has these
difficulties and how best to help your hiker.
Everyone needs to know that each hiker must be in shape and must attend
manditory shakedowns (I use the rule of requiring attendence of 3 out of 4
training sessions - afternoon camp setup, 3day/2 night overnighter, 3 day/2
night overnighter, 10 mile day hike the weekend before departure). If they
only make 2 they do not go OR they plan a substitute activity with at least
half the crew.
THE PROBLEM comes in that the shakedowns are typically in May when the money
has been collected. Once the parents know that there is a possibility of
losing money, they proceed knowing the risks. This discussion needs to take
place in September prior to their Philmont experience.
Diane, that does not help you. Try to find a replacement from a troop
within your area so you will know who you are getting and the hiker has
worked with the crew. Start now because there may be some drop outs in
April when Summer School announcements are made.
Hope this helps,
Wally Feurtado,
Philmont Training Coordinator
National Capital Area Council
-----Original Message-----
From: Diane Mikulis [mailto:DBMikulis@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:20 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: [Philmont]: removal of a boy
How do you remove someone from a crew for whatever reason when they have
already paid the $444 non-refundable fee to Philmont and purchased a
non-refundable airline ticket and there is no one on a waiting list? Our
troop can't afford to absorb that kind of money.
Diane Mikulis
dbmikulis@comcast.net
Troop 757, Glenwood, MD
PS I think I turned the HTML off, but I apologize to those who can't
read it if that didn't work.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com]On
Behalf Of JWFLAIG@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:44 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Boys Who Aren't Interested
Lots of good discussion. Coop's and Wally's Advisors' Guide addresses
this
issue; it is worth rereading. Remember that for safety (lightning
avoidance,
hypothermia, for example) the crew must be able to move at a reasonable
speed.
To me the key is that advisors need to know the capabilities and
attitudes of
all of the crew members, both youth and adult. I may be that a marginal
youth can be helped along to the benefit of all involved. On the other
hand,
if he/she is notably less capable than the rest of the crew you are
likely
setting up a situation where all involved have a bad trip. There is
nothing
wrong with having requirements that must be met for a person to
participate;
publish them up front some everyone knows what they are.
Shakedowns are crucial in helping determine where everybody stands; they
should help everyone decide whether they are prepared for the Philmont
experience. On a previous trek we had to tell one scout and his family
that
he was not ready to go to Philmont. Although it was painful to deal
with
then, he went back last summer and did fine. I believe it was a better
situation for both crews and in the end a positive experience for him.
His
whoops of sheer exhilaration when we broke out of the trees as we
approached
the summit of Mt. Phillips said volumes.
In the end, the advisor needs to assess the situation, apply his/her
best
judgment as to what is best for the whole crew and go with it.
Joe Flaig
Advisor, Crew 1865
Fairfax, VA
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