From: hadulzo@attbi.com
Date: Wed Jan 29 2003 - 15:40:37 CST
Need lots of water taking all that vitamin "I" anyway. I had a little shortness
in camp on the third day at 6000. Took some advil and I was fine. I had to
sleep with the tent open to breath any air that was left.
> When I went to Philmont for the first time in 2001, I fretted over the altitude
> thing also. Living in St. Louis I had real concerns, not only for myself, but
> for the others in the crew as well. I did a lot of research and determined that
> you just can't be certain how it will affect you. Some people really get
> slammed, even at lower altitudes and have to take medication to cope. Other
> authorities state that hydration is the key.
>
> I my case, I elected to drink water like crazy while at Philmont. "Clear and
> Copious" became my mantra, and it worked for me. Not even a headache the entire
> time at Philmont even on top of Mount Baldy. That went for the entire crew as
> well.
>
> Going early couldn't hurt if you can do it. Any edge can only help.
>
> Good Luck
>
> Larry Stout
> .. a good old Owl too!
>
>
> Allen Corzine wrote:
>
> > >He came off the trail on day three complaining of altitude sickness.
> >
> > I have wondered about this. I live in Topeka now - and the Midwest -
> > Illinois and Iowa - all my life - how does one living at 900 feet above sea
> > level prepare for altitude? You can do all the hiking and planning you want
> > but, as I have been told, there is a certain percentage of us who will
> > develop this problem despite whatever you do.
> >
> > I am aware of the advise of going out to altitude a day or two before to get
> > use to it. However, I can see that as working for most of us who go
> > sightseeing but does it work for those working hard on a trek?
> >
> > What suggestions do you folks have for us low landers?
> >
> > Allen Corzine
> > Cub Master, Pack 59 Topeka
> > PTC 2002
> >
> > just a sly fox, and remember, my opinion and $ will buy coffee at the
> > trading post
> >
> > >From: Bill Lentz <blentz@prodigy.net>
> > >Reply-To: philmont@troop47.com
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list philmont <philmont@troop47.com>
> > >Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Advisor participation
> > >Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:32:39 -0600
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: mnep@att.net [mailto:mnep@att.net]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:23 PM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
> > > > Subject: [Philmont]: Advisor participation
> > > >
> > > >
> > >snip
> > > > he wasn't a nice guy. My biggest hope is that I have upset
> > > > him enough to
> > > > motivate him to step up his training and prove that he can
> > > > get in shape.
> > > > Though I have serious doubts that given the minimal progress
> > > > in the last 12
> > > > months.
> > > >
> > >snip
> > >
> > >I hope you've motivated him also, but let me share our experience.
> > >
> > >Last year our troop sent two contingents. No one had been to Philmont
> > >except one Dad who went as a scout in the early '70's, and one who had been
> > >twice with his older sons. Our guys split themselves into the two
> > >contingents based somewhat on age and perceived fitness and ability. One
> > >contingent was made up of guys who insisted on a strenuous trek and went
> > >around calling themselves the Iron men (all of this was good natured - our
> > >guys get along well.) They selected a strenuous trek at about 70 miles.
> > >
> > >My son and a friend are in the same age group as the Iron men, however I am
> > >not an Iron man, and neither was the other Dad. We told our boys that they
> > >would have to go with the "Tin men" (as we were named). We selected a
> > >moderate trek at about 52 miles.
> > >
> > >I am in good health but have a desk job. I worked out some, but not as
> > >much as I should have. The other dad worked out more than I did. The
> > >primary adult advisor in the Iron man contingent, our scout master and an
> > >ex-military guy, was constantly hiking the neighborhood with his backpack
> > >and did all but one of the shakedowns.
> > >
> > >Our contingent had another adult advisor who did not make any shakedowns,
> > >did not prepare in any way, and was not especially fit, although not
> > >terribly overweight. His son was also one of the weakest of the group.
> > >
> > >Of course, with the fires last year, neither contingent got their original
> > >trek. We ended up with a 64 mile trek, and they ended up with a 56 mile
> > >trek (you should have heard the Tin men crowing!)
> > >
> > >Anyway, our first day was a three mile hike from Lovers leap turnaround to
> > >Lovers leap camp - about a 750 foot elevation change (we live at about 350
> > >ft). It was tough on the adults, but the kids did fine. The one adult who
> > >didn't prepare at all was miserable. We hadn't been gone an hour before he
> > >was talking about coming off the trail. After we got to camp, he decided
> > >to give it a day or two.
> > >
> > >The next two days were also tough, with either a lot of elevation change,
> > >or a long (for us) hike. The unprepared dad and his son had a lot of
> > >trouble, and we took plenty of rest breaks (which secretly pleased all of
> > >us.) On the 4th day, the son got sick, and his dad talked to him about
> > >coming off the trail. The next morning, he told us that both of them were
> > >determined to finish. Although we had other tough days, everyone finished,
> > >and, to be a little corny, we all walk a little taller. You should see the
> > >change in the scout that got sick but was determined to finish.
> > >
> > >I was pleasantly surprised at my ability to complete the trek. I was
> > >worried that I couldn't make it, and, although it was tough, I did. It was
> > >a great experience for me and my son.
> > >
> > >Oh, the ex-military guy? He came off the trail on day three complaining
> > >of altitude sickness. One of the other dads said he had been huffing and
> > >puffing the whole time (which I completely understood), and always looked
> > >red as a beet.
> > >
> > >Although I'll never make light of the need to be in shape, I think part of
> > >it is how committed you are, and how much inner drive you have. I don't
> > >know how you can tell this until you get there.
> > >
> > >Whew! That's a lot more than I ever expected to say on the subject.
> > >
> > >Bill
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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