From: Rice Brewer (hriceb@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu Jan 16 2003 - 09:32:46 CST
RE: [Philmont]: Disappointing camps (Not)Wally:
Thank you for that. I have often said that Philmont has
become too much of an "entertain me" place and that we have
forgotten the land and the experience that you so aptly
described. When my son comes of age, I will take a trek
with him and I will attempt to steer the crew to the trek
that offers fewer staff camps than the average trek.
However, did you really mean to say that there are bad staff
members in every camp? If so, I heartily and respectfully
disagree. To be sure, a few bad apples slip through but bad
staff members in every camp? Nope, just don't see it.
Rice Brewer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-philmont@troop47.com
[mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com]On Behalf Of Feurtado,
Walter (Contractor)
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:09 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Disappointing camps (Not)
In 1996, the camp directors had an impassioned plea to the
hikers that the program at Philmont was not the horse
riding, or shooting, or the staff, but the scenery and that
we need to take time to enjoy it. I no longer even consider
the programs part of the experience other than they are a
diversion. It is important to encourage the youth to
participate in them but in the long run, the program play
such a small part of what is remembered at Philmont. It is
the scenery and the camaraderie, the rain, the hail, the
sweat, and the tears, and the watching the youth mature that
makes each one of my arrowhead awards so meaningful to me.
Sawmill is one of my very favorite camps because of the
location and the opportunity to look down the canyon to
watch the sunrise. Uracca Mesa is also my very favorite
staff camp because of the sunrise at Inspiration Point.
Comanche Peak is my very favorite camp because of the great
viewing area North of the campsite. Tooth Ridge has a
wonderful area to watch the sunrise.
The bottom line is that there are bad staff in all camps
now and then but Gods beauty endures!!
Wally Feurtado
Philmont Training Coordinator
National Capital Area Council
co-author to the unofficial "Philmont Advisors Guide"
available from coopwright@aol.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Sims [mailto:Larry.Sims@HALLIBURTON.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:44 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Disappointing camps (Not)
We arrived at Sawmill after a long day on the trail. We
had warned the crew
that we had probably missed program. I believe we got
there at 5 or 530pm.
When we arrived we were greeted warmly, encouraged to
drink the bug juice on
the front porch and had a few minutes to visit with some
of the staff while
other staff prepared the reloading program. We got to
reload and shoot. My
hat (a favorite target for the entire trek) was hit twice.
The program was
efficient, but not hurried. Everyone had a great time.
Our two staffers
were nick named "Goose" and "Elvis". We did manage to miss
a few of our
program opportunities in 2002 but we would have missed at
memorable, fun
time without the great staffers at Sawmill.
The downside of our long day was cooking, eating and
cleaning up in a rush
and finishing well after dark. No trouble, since our next
day was a small
stroll from Sawmill to the top of Mt. Phillips with a side
hike to from
Thunder Ridge to Cyphers for water.
Most of the time I spent "unfound" was in camps like
Sawmill (day or night)
and Mt. Phillips (fog and night).
Larry Sims
1965, 2002, IWTGBTP in 2004
Katy, Tx
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