From: Henry Buruel (french_henry@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Jan 17 2003 - 01:01:25 CST
I also forgot to add that your comments on the reaction sheets really do
make a diffference to all the staff, so please keep filling them out.
Thanks.
>From: Don Nugent <dnugent@sundial-marine.com>
>Reply-To: philmont@troop47.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list philmont <philmont@troop47.com>
>Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Disappointing camps
>Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:10:00 -0800
>
>I have to ditto the comments of Stan. We were at Philmont last summer and
>went to Sawmill also. It was my second trip to Philmont as an Advisor.
>Like Stan, we had a long, hot hike into Sawmill. No showers at all (ok...
>I can live with that), very rocky campsites ( ok ... I can live with that),
> badly sighted rifles (ok ... I can live with that, too). Don't know
>about the swing thing. However, the absolute worst part of our trek was
>the rude staff and totally absurd and "un-Scout-like" campfire program
>there at Sawmill. We also noted it on our comment cards. It was our worst
>camp last year. I'm sure as Stan said .... different day, different
>staff, etc. might have made all the difference. The best part of Sawmill
>for us was watching lightning storms from the porch during Advisor's
>Coffee, and the sunrise from the same location next morning before
>departure.
>
>Stan Herrin wrote:
>
>>>There was a discussion late last year about favorite camps. Without
>>>being
>>>
>>>
>>overly negative, perhaps we should discuss camps and/or programs that were
>>not so great. I know some people were disappointed with some logistical
>>issues such as overcrowding and many other unique situations that last
>>year
>>could not be avoided because of the fire.
>>
>>
>>>If there are any camps or programs that need attention or where not what
>>>
>>>
>>people expected, this could help some groups in their decision making.
>>
>>Camps change because of staff and trek.
>>
>>In 2000, we spent the second night in Sawmill. The crew was worn out from
>>the climb, but proud a crew from Illinois could huff it up. We enjoyed
>>our
>>first activity - rifle shooting. The staff was friendly. Great swing on
>>the front porch. We got a hot shower. We ignored the rocky ledges to
>>sleep
>>on. In 2000, Sawmill was one of our favorite camps.
>>
>>In 2002, 3 of the 2000 crew returned with 9 new crew members and we all
>>were
>>very disappointed with the camp. We spent the 8th night at Sawmill and
>>had
>>already shot muzzle loading rifles and shot guns on our trek. The rifle
>>shooting was disappointing - the rifles were not sited in. There were no
>>hot showers. The swing was gone. We found the staff rude and the
>>"campfire"
>>distasteful. We noted on our comment cards that the staff didn't present
>>a
>>very good "philmont" image. In 2002, Sawmill was our least favorite camp.
>>
>>Same camp, same program, different staff and different day on the trek (we
>>had other camps to compare it to).
>>
>>On another note, in 2002 our trek was changed and we didn't find out our
>>new
>>trek intermarry until 4 days before we left base camp. We had selected
>>our
>>first trek because there were 6 things we wanted to do. The new trek had
>>only 3 of those 6 activities. The crew complained all the way to
>>Philmont,
>>especially about trying to see the T-Rex print.
>>
>>No one complained after we left.
>>
>>There are no bad treks at Philmont because they all provide the same
>>thing:
>>Camaraderie and accomplishment.
>>
>>Stan Herrin
>>Springfield, IL 67, 00, 02
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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