Chad, in response to your question RE "IMHAWIO",
It is my abbreviation for a saying that has been in our family for as
long as anyone can remember.
It represents "In My Humble And Widely Ignored Opinion".
I think of my dad every time I use it, as he was most likely to state
it, usually with a sense of great irony, as he was almost always right,
ergo to ignore him was to do so at your own peril.
Dave Parmly
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philmont Digest Tue, 04 Jan 2005 00:01:52 -0600 V01 #1225
Today's topics:
'[Philmont]: RE: Closet Rod hiking staff'
'Dolly Sods Maps'
'Re: [Philmont]: Dolly Sods'
'RE: [Philmont]: Philmont "rules"'
'Philmont "Chicken Soup"'
'Re: [Philmont]: Mountain Lion Sightings at Philmont'
'Re: [Philmont]: Coffee Questions'
'Philmont pictures'
'[Philmont]: RE: Closet Rod hiking staff'
'RE: [Philmont]: Coffee Questions'
'RE: [Philmont] - philmont Digest - V01 #1222'
'RE: [Philmont]: Coffee Questions'
'RE: [Philmont]: Bear Bags vs. Bear Cannisters'
'Re: [Philmont]: Coffee Questions'
'RE: [Philmont]: Mountain Lion Sightings at Philmont'
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Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 10:02:00 -0500
From: "Dr. Bob Klein" <drbob@troop111.org>
Subject: Dolly Sods Maps
In followup to my post of yesterday, some worthwhile references:
http://home.adelphia.net/~johntrudy/ <-- A GPS-based project.
http://www.patc.net/hiking/destinations/dolysods.html
http://www.wvhighlands.org/DSodsMaps/
According to TrailPixie.Net the best trail guide for the area is
Monongahela National Forest Hiking Guide by Allen de Hart and Bruce
Sundquist.
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Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 08:18:40 EST
From: CoopWright@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Dolly Sods
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The Dolly Sods are indeed a great place to hike with waterfalls that you
can
surf with your Thermorest, bogs and tundra with blueberries in season
and
incredible rock formations, the most famous of which is called the
Lion's Head.
It is a several hour drive from Pittsburgh and Washington DC meto areas,
but
worth it.
Backpacking: Dolly Sods
LOCATION: Dolly Sods Wilderness Area, Monongahela National Park. The
nearest major city is Elkins, West Virginia.
DESCRIPTION: This three day, two night, 14.9-mile circuit hike provides
the
hiker with a wonderful variety of activities including a rope swing into
a
12-foot deep swimming hole, arctic-like tundra with blueberries in late
summer
and incredible views from the top of Lion's Head, a massive outcrop of
white
sandstone. Total elevation change is 1300 feet.
DIRECTIONS: From Northern Virginia, take I-66W to I-81S. After 3 mi,
take
55W. Continue for 95 mi, passing through Wardensville, Baker,
Moorefield, and
Petersburg. About 6 mi past Petersburg, turn right at the sign for
Dolly Sods
onto the road marked WV7/28 (shown as Route 4 on some maps). In about 1
mi,
turn left onto FS19. This road climbs to FS75, turn left. Continue on
FS75
until it crosses the bridge over Red Creek and make an immediate right
into the
parking lot for the Laneville wildlife manager's cabin.
FOOD AND SUPPLIES: Front Royal has a McDonalds at Exit 6, Moorefield
has a
Dairy Queen on 55 and a McDonalds on 220 just N of 55. Petersburg has a
Pizza
Hut.
TRAIL DIRECTIONS: Take Red Creek Trail (TR514) northeast out of the
parking
lot. There are several first night camp sites within the first 1.5 mi.
On
the second day, continue along Red Creek Trail, some of which was washed
out
during the 1985 flood. Cross the creek and follow the trail for 3.5 mi
until it
intersects with Breathed Mountain Trail (TR553). Continue on the Red
Creek
Trail for another .25 mi until you come to the Forks with its sandy
beaches,
places to swim and a great spot for lunch. (To reach the rope swing,
walk down
the Red Creek for about .1 mi). Go back to Breathed Mountain Trail and
follow
it up to the open tundra area until it intersects with Big Stonecoal
Trail
(TR513) in 2.5 mi. Follow the Big Stonecoal Trail for about 2 mi until
you come
to excellent campsites in a pine stand along the creek. This used to be
the
site of an old logging camp. On the third day, follow Big Stonecoal
Trail for
1.1 mi until the intersection with Rocky Point Trail (TR554). Hide your
packs
unless you want to take them to the top of Rocky Point. Follow the
Rocky
Point Trail until you see very faint signs of a trail leading up to
Rocky Point
on the left. It is all bushwacking to the top, but it is worth the
magnificent
views of the Red Creek Canyon. Head back to the Big Stonecoal Trail and
follow it down to the crossing of Red Creek in 1.3 mi. Follow the Red
Creek Trail
(TR514) 1.5 mi to the parking lot.
MAPS: West Virginia quads for Hopeville, Laneville, Blackbird Knob and
Blackwater Falls. Because the trails are not very well marked, maps are
an
absolute necessity.
GUIDEBOOKS: Monongahela National Forest Hiking Guide by Bruce
Sundquist,
1988, pp. 164-181, available from EMS, HTO OR REI.
CONTACTS: District Ranger, Potomac Ranger District, U.S. Forest
Service,
Rt. 3, Box 240, Petersburg, WV 26847, (304) 257-4488.
SUBMITTED 12/94 by Cooper Wright, C-1519, 226 Falmouth Street,
Warrenton, VA.
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Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 07:42:26 -0500
From: "Tom Lindtveit" <n2sa@bestweb.net>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Philmont "rules"
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> "Expedition Behavior - The Finer Points" has now been printed and will
be shared with our crew.
A suggestion if I might. I used that list of rules last year also. I
held onto it until we were on the bus and about an hour out from
Philmont. We distributed it and discussed it on the bus, then went into
a basic description of what would be happening in the next 24 hours
(hurry up, and wait...) and explaining what a Ranger is, and why he/she
would be "your best friend for the next 2 days".
This worked well in a couple of ways:
a) It tied together all the training and discussions about trail living
they had gotten in the prep hikes and meetings.
b) It got their "heads into the game"
c) It set things up nicely for the Ranger and made his/her job easier,
as he did not need to explain "WHY" all the time.
Incidentally, our Ranger (Kyle McKay) had three rules he taught the Crew
and they worked very nicely:
1) Don't be stupid.
2) Drink more water.
3) Look good doing it.
Happy Hiking,
Tom
P.S Has ANYONE gotten a waiting list number yet? This is getting to be a
LONG "couple of weeks".
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Don't be stupid.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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Drink more water.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:45:32 -0600
From: "Cliff Coan" <ccoan@cctc.net>
Subject: Philmont "Chicken Soup"
At Christmas, trying to digest the enormous amounts of food I had
ingested,
I picked up one of those "Chicken Soup for the _______ Soul" books and
grazed through it until sleep overwhelmed me. After I awoke, I got to
thinking, "I wonder if anybody has thought of gathering stuff like this
about Philmont?"
How about it, guys and gals?
What's your favorite "Chicken Soup" type story about Philmont?
If you're not familiar with the books, they consist of a collection of
short
stories by many different people. The stories are usually inspirational,
or
uplifting, or instructive.
In the years I've been, and the years I've prowled this listserve, I've
seen
many such stories.
How about submitting a favorite or two of yours, and I'll gather them
and
post them here and on the web. Don't worry about the stories being
perfect -- just try to capture the flavor of an incident or a moment
that
moved, or inspired or uplifted you. Surely, somewhere in the planning of
an
expedition, or the expedition itself, or your time on staff, something
had a
profound effect on you. Or maybe it's a crew member telling you, years
later, how Philmont changed their life. I'm not thinking about our
endless
debates on turkey bags or trekking poles, or internal vs. external
frames.
I'm interested in the spirit of Philmont.
Coop Wright and Dr. Bob and John LeBlanc, I hope your tremendous
knowledge
and experience gets the ball rolling.
This could be something that can get us fired up as the season
approaches,
and something that will tide those of us who didn't win the lottery
through
until next time.
IWTGBTP (but I'm not, this year)
Cliff Coan
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Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 21:19:47 EST
From: Jamo0001@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Mountain Lion Sightings at Philmont
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When we were at Philmont during June, we saw several sets of paw prints
near
the Dean Cow area, and several piles of very fresh scat. However, we
never
actually saw any cats.
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Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:42:58 -0500
From: "Troop 681 scout" <troop681@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Coffee Questions
I would agree that the Folgers bags are fine for coffee on the trail -
this
is the opinion of a BIG Starbucks Fan.
I also take a FEW tea bags --mostly herbal teas
A nice change in the evening, and sometimes a welcome GIFT for staff or
other advisors.
troop681@hotmail.com
(click here to reply to ME)
Kim Pigorsch
Membership Chairmun (sic)
and Eagle Scout Advisor
Troop 681
San Diego, CA
>From: "Pete Swiggum" <peter.swiggum@sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: philmont@troop47.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list philmont <philmont@troop47.com>
>Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Coffee Questions
>Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 21:21:43 -0600
>
>Folgers singles always work for me. No, they're not the second coming
of
>"the cup of coffee from heaven", but they're still pretty darn good
when
>you're on the trail. They're lightweight, they pack small and they
taste
>pretty good.
>
>Pete Swiggum
>Troop 1173
>Green Bay, WI
>Peter.Swiggum@sbcglobal.net
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 19:34:59 -0500
From: "doug marquis" <dmarquis1@comcast.net>
Subject: Philmont pictures
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Happy New Year, everyone!
I finally posted some pictures from 2004 on my webpage. Check them out =
if you're interested. They're mostly base camp and some hiking with PTC
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groups. There are also a few pictures from Mt. Capulin and Fort Union.
Here's the address: home.comcast.net/~dmarquis1/index.html
Doug Marquis
Philstaff '84-'86, '03-'05
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:39:19 -0500
From: tdeprimo@FFIC.COM
Subject: [Philmont]: RE: Closet Rod hiking staff
Return Receipt
Your [Philmont]: RE: Closet Rod hiking staff
document
:
was Thomas C DePrimo/FFIC
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:11:28 -0500
From: "Troop 6 Scoutmaster" <troop6scoutmaster@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Coffee Questions
After reading various accounts of the evils of caffine and how you
really
wanted to wean yourself off it prior to hitting the trail I decided to
do
just that and go coffeeless. I was surprised to find two things at the
Ranch in 2004:
1. At the Advisors meeting on the first night at the ranch (the night
before you hit the trail) coffee bags and all the fixin's were made
available for advisors to take on the trail with them.
2. At every Staff Camp, Coffee (in cowboy brewed form) was available
morning noon and night.
In the end I didn't pack any coffee (and left my cup in basecamp cause
the
ranger said we wouldn't need cups), had a cup (initially in a nalgene,
later
in a cup purchased on the trail) when it was offered (normally in the
afternoon) and didn't really miss it.
Now that said, for the trully coffee obsessed, your own backup plan (be
prepared etc etc) is advised, but for those that it is a nice to have,
these
arrangements may prove sufficent.
Finally, most breakfasts are no-cook, that is they don't require hot
water
for any aspect .. only a couple had cider or cocoa. So one of our
coffee
dependent advisors brought along a heat-tab stove solely for the purpose
of
preparing his morning cup, for those of you like me (who just can't get
enough gadgets) this may just be the reason to buy that jet-boil stove
...
Jim Thompson
SM T6 www.troop6bsa.org
74, 04 .. hoping for a nice spot on the 06 waiting list ...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com]On
Behalf Of Pete Swiggum
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:22 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Coffee Questions
Folgers singles always work for me. No, they're not the second coming
of
"the cup of coffee from heaven", but they're still pretty darn good when
you're on the trail. They're lightweight, they pack small and they
taste
pretty good.
Pete Swiggum
Troop 1173
Green Bay, WI
Peter.Swiggum@sbcglobal.net
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:31:53 -0500
From: "Ched Hudson" <chedhudson@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: [Philmont] - philmont Digest - V01 #1222
Oops, jargon alert...what is IMHAWIO? Haven't see that variant before,
and
(amazingly) Google draws a blank. Half-Fast Wildly Ignorant Opinion?
(That
would certainly apply to me.)
>Ched Hudson
ASM, Troop 994
Fairfax Station VA
Philmont 67, 04
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Parmly
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:50 AM
IMHAWIO, the bear canister is conceding defeat to the animals and indeed
inviting them in to camp, creates a greater potential danger to people
and ultimately, changes the behavior of the animals.
Dave Parmly
Knoxville TN
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Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 08:37:58 -0500
From: "Tom Lindtveit" <n2sa@bestweb.net>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Coffee Questions
> Folgers singles always work for me.
As with boots, packs, tents, and hiking sticks, Coffee is a very
personal choice on the trail. I share my method with the group just to
provide another thought. I hate carrying milk powder or sugar due to the
extra weight and mess it makes in my cup and consequently, since the age
of 14 I have taken my coffee black. I drink a LOT of coffee (about a
quart and a half a day at work), but on the trail I cut back quite a
bit, and at Philmont even more. Many mornings I would forgo the coffee
in the interest of the crew. (Yes, I was the earliest riser also, ALWAYS
up first, but that wouldn't be my "quiet time" if I were messing with
pot and stove, now would it?) My crew could easily get packed and on the
trail in short order, and I had heard a few youth members in our sister
crew complaining lightly about waiting for their advisors to finish
their coffee so they could get going. I took the hint even though it
wasn't addressed my way.
I carry a simple permanent coffee basket, such as comes in some of the
drip coffee makers. It is a very fine mesh screen and you can usually
find them in the department stores. I carry my coffee in a 500ml (1/2
liter) rectangular Nalgene HDPE bottle with a nice tight cap (available
at Campmor). These pack very nice, last forever, and are bullet proof.
You can also use the imitation Nalgene Lexan bottles (1/2 or 1 liter)
that cost about $4.00. A 1 liter bottle will hold about a pound of
coffee. I set the filter basket in a large sierra cup with enough coffee
in it and pour boiling water over the whole thing. In about 2 minutes,
its coffee. If you want to make several cups at one shot, just use more
coffee in a larger vessel. Let the basket seep in the coffee.
I have tried coffee bags and they just don't work for me, plus its more
garbage to carry. I would rather carry a perk pot, which I do when I'm
off hunting for more than a day or backpacking on a leisurely route.
If you are addicted to your coffee (as I am), and concerned about
missing your morning brew at Philmont (as I was), I offer the following
thoughts for your consideration:
a) You will NOT die without your coffee every morning.
B) Too much coffee is bad for you anyway, consider that missing a few
mornings will enhance your wellness.
3) Most of the value in that morning coffee is the relaxation benefit,
you can find other ways to do that, such as watching the mule deer feed.
D) You didn't spend all that time and effort preparing to go to
Philmont just so you could drink coffee.
E) Missing a few mornings will make those others mornings that much
more special.
6) Water is better for you anyway, especially cool water in the
morning, very refreshing stuff.
Happy Hiking in the New Year,
Tom
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Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 09:25:54 -0500
From: "Tom Lindtveit" <n2sa@bestweb.net>
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Bear Bags vs. Bear Cannisters
As usual, Dr. Bob said it best:
"There is a ceaseless need for education."
In 2003 I engaged (along with a few thousand of my closest friends) in
a pitched and heated battle with the New York State DEC over a proposal
to tighten group limits and restrictions in the Catskill Park, which is
just a tad bigger than Philmont. One of my arguments was that Scout
units are better trained (Outdoor code, Leave No Trace, etc.), and
groups showing proof of such training should be allowed slightly bigger
group sizes. Well I have to tell you that I was blown away by the
anecdotal evidence fired at me by the Rangers about Scout units engaging
in "totally unacceptable" habits and committing infractions I found
incredible. I came away from the fight resolved to do my best to help
"clean up our act". I speak at Roundtables, and offer my experience to
any Troop who asks. Most Troops with sloppy habits learn those habits
from leaders who don't know any better. This can be fixed and we need to
fix it.
As for Bear canisters at Philmont, as I said before, I am agin 'em.
Philmont is a very unique place where all users are educated before
using the backcountry and that education is re-enforced throughout their
trek. The current system is working. Bear canisters will not correct
sloppy habits such as food odors in the tent, failure to clean up vomit
or blood, and other issues which are the predominant cause of bear
attacks these days. If there is to be a "next step" in bear suppression
at Philmont, it should probably take the form of Bear Boxes in the
campsites. Although the initial investment would be greater than
canisters, the cost of ownership would be lower in the long run.
Canisters cost about $80.00, think about the replacement cost to your
crew when a bear takes one for a walk.
The point is, all systems will work, but we all need to take it
seriously and teach our youth how very important this is to everyone who
travels in the outdoors, whether at Philmont, or anywhere else.
Infractions by a few cause problems for everyone, so when a Scout leaves
a candy bar on a rock "to see what might come get it" he has just
contributed to a future bear encounter for someone who will come down
the trail after him. It is our job to make sure everyone understands
this.
Happy Hiking,
Tom
By the way, could someone post the entire 2004 statistics from High
Country so that those of us not in the PSA can benefit?
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:30:19 -0800
From: Lou Schwing <lou@troop288.org>
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Coffee Questions
On Dec 29, 2004, at 11:25 AM, emuss3@ipass.net wrote:
> To that end I am inquiring if anyone has a special blend for the
trail?
On long expeditions I use the simple Folgers coffee singles. On
shorter trips, where weight is not such a concern, I carry a Lexan
French Press and ground French Roast coffee. It's far superior to the
coffee in a bag, but weighs a little more.
While having a cup of coffee in the morning before the crew gets up is
great, it's sometimes even better making a great cup of coffee, sharing
it with the other advisors and seeing their faces light up when they
take that first sip!
Lou
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:13:37 -0600
From: Bailey.Jerry@med.va.gov
Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Mountain Lion Sightings at Philmont
What is "High Country" Thanks. Sincerely: YiS; Jerry D Bailey
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From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Dr. Bob Klein
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 12:16 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: [Philmont]: Mountain Lion Sightings at Philmont
According to the latest issue of High Country (December, 2004), there
were 37 reported sightings of mountain lions at Philmont during the
summer of 2004.
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