Thanks Bill and Al for jumping in.
Comment:
Calvin jumped in as well, he was my source of information for our first
Autumn Adventure in 2000. It turned out we were going the same week. We
met him and his crew for breakfast at the Kit Carson Sunday morning, and
then spent the first day and night with them at Beaubein - by the way, a
change in our plans made after arrival at Philmont. The account of that AA
is on-line on Selden's list, but really is not of much use - what you could
and could not do was much different six years ago. We were able to arrange
staff transportation between camps and did Beaubein to Fish Camp to Abreu,
Cimarroncito and Hidden Valley, and Baldy in six days. I am sure that would
not be allowed today.
The account of our second AA is also on-line at
http://www.lns.cornell.edu/~seb/philmont-02914-1.html and was a Central /
South trek: Cimarroncito/Hunting Lodge/Hidden Valley to Clarks Fork, to
Shaefers Pass (sidehiking to the Tooth), along the North Fork of Urraca
Creek to Black Mountain to Beaubein, Trail Peak on a layover day (and food
re-supply), to Phillips Junction to Fish Camp, to Abreu. We were
transported by staff to Cito turnaround, and left a vehicle at Zastrow
turnaround.
Our third in 2004 was a northern trek. Left a vehicle at Ponil turnaround
and was transported by staff to Indian Writings. From there over Hart Peak
to Ponil to Sioux, over Wilson Mesa to Pueblano, to Baldy Town (food
re-supply), layover and sidehike Baldy going up from the south and down the
north through Copper Park and French Henry, to Head of Dean (water
re-supply), along Dean Skyline and down to Ponil. I've never gotten around
to writing the notes of that trip.
Gary's questions:
Our crew will be made up of all adults. Four that have been to Philmont as
advisors and three or four never beens.
The four of us have beens will take care of the itinerary. The four of us
will be setting the itinerary and have decided we want to camp at one or two
camps and do day hikes from them. We also had the brainy idea that maybe we
could cut the load a little if we could camp under flys without tents. Has
anyone done that before? We've also heard the urban legend that some crews
have essentially camped on the porches in the staff camps. Has anyone done
that before?
Comments:
Not aware of anyone using flys instead of tents, and expect that would be
discouraged, if not prohibited, by Philmont. Yes, some of our crews have
camped on porches at times in the past, but again that is discouraged, if
not prohibited these days. However, even in 2004 we stayed close to the
cabins at Baldy Town and Head of Dean and used the porches during the day.
Have you stayed in tent city before or after a trek?
Answer:
Yes, we fly into Denver on Saturday and drive to Philmont, then hit the
trail Sunday morning. Come off the trail on Saturday, spend the rest of the
day in Cimarron, and leave first thing Sunday morning back to Denver.
What's the normal schedule out there? If you arrive in the morning will you
get out of base camp that day?
Answer:
If you are there early enough, yes you will get to the backcountry the same
day. Not sure what the time restrictions on that are, as it never has been
an issue for us. The Base Camp routines are an abbreviated version of the
summer, but without lines. Medical recheck, gear shakedown, trek planning
with your guide, equipment issue.
What is the normal procedure to get out to the drop offs? Do you drive your
own vehicles out and leave the vehicles there?
Answer:
It depends... We have ended up being transported by staff on all three
AA's. The first an anomaly, so really not worth discussing. The second
trek was point to point, staff took us to the starting turnaround and our
vehicle was waiting at the end. The third was a loop, but we eliminated
some hiking miles by being transported from the turnaround to IW. If you
discuss your ideas with the staff before arrival, they will let you know
what they can do for you regarding transportation - but generally, that is
getting you to a starting point at some staffed camp or turnaround other
than where you end your trek and your vehicle is waiting for you.
That's enough questions for now. I've got a long list.
Comment:
Keep them coming!
- Al Thomson, Troop 236, Schooley's Mountain NJ
Treks 1999, 2001, and 2003
Autumn Adventures 2000, 2002, 2004, and 2006
-------------------------------------------------------
Scouting E-mail Discussion Lists @ usscouts.org
Subscribe/Unsubscribe at http://usscouts.org/lists/
Listserv Commands at http://usscouts.org/lists/lc.asp
-------------------------------------------------------
Send listserv commands to: listserv@troop47.com
Send postings to: philmont@troop47.com
List FAQ found at: http://usscouts.org/lists/faq.asp
List Administrator: philmont_owner@troop47.com
-------------------------------------------------------
As you gather around this virtual campfire with fellow
Scouts and Scouters, do your best to be trustworthy,
loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient,
cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent.
-------------------------------------------------------
Received on Sat Jan 7 11:15:52 2006
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.8 : Wed Jul 26 2006 - 11:59:45 CDT