From: Mike Bingley (mbingley@telusplanet.net)
Date: Tue Jul 16 2002 - 23:24:05 CDT
I have to agree with Frank on the quality, but I also agree on the need to
properly fit a pack to the wearer....it makes all the difference in the
world.
Now a good half way method is what my dad used to do for me when I was a
Scout - get him a nice card for Xmas and slip a picture of a nice pack into
the card with a note that says 'After Xmas, we'll go buy a pack together.'
What could be nicer? A pack for Xmas and time with your son.
Cheers!
Mike
-- Mike Bingley Council Field Executive Scouts Canada - Chinook Region 403-327-4647 888-321-4647 (Alberta and BC) Experience High Adventure in the Canadian Rockies with Scouts Canada http://www.chinook.scouts.ca/impeesa-x/ On 7/16/02 6:04 PM, "Frank Fernandez" <Frankmiami@prodigy.net> wrote: > Friends: > > There are several models of the Kelty Redcloud - again in my opinion, the > best pack for the money that's out there. I've had the 5400 for close to 3 > years - major treks. Great value for the price. > > I've never heard of a Redclound going for anything below $140.00 The > RedCloud generally runs from about $140.00 to $150.50. The Summer 2000 > Campmoor Catalog shows them at follows: > > Kelty Redclound 5000 cubic inch (fits torso 13" - 18") - price: $139.99 > > Kelty Redclound 5400 cubic inch (fits torso 16" - 21") - price: $139.99 > > Kelty Redclound 6400 cubic inch (fits torso 16" - 21") - price: $159.99 > > I bought my 5400 at a Sports Authority almost 3 years ago for $150.00 > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jpsampson1@mmm.com> > To: Multiple recipients of list philmont <philmont@troop47.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:48 > Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Backpack review > > >> >> Another thought on that as well -- be careful when you order from > mailorder >> to insure you are getting exactly what you think you are getting. >> Sportsman's Guide offers the Kelty RedCloud for $99. I know someone who >> bought one, and it's NOT the same as the current RedCloud sold at the >> outfitters. It was called a RedCloud "Classic" and had some minor >> differences -- enough different for them to return it. Their website was >> accurate and displayed what they were actually selling, but it is > different >> when compared to the current RedCloud. >> >> >> >> "David F. Ball" >> <y2kdave@prodigy.n To: Multiple > recipients of list philmont >> et> <philmont@troop47.com> >> cc: (bcc: Jill P. > Sampson/US-Corporate/3M/US) >> 07/16/02 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [Philmont]: > Backpack review >> Please respond to >> philmont >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Many people opt for the mailorder or discount purchase because of the > price >> but nothing beats the cost of having your pack fitted by a professional. >> Pay >> the extra. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alan R. Hamm" <ahamm@alanhamm.com> >> To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont" <philmont@troop47.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 10:02 AM >> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Backpack review >> >> >>> Our trek started on 7/2 and we had a training ranger and a trainee >> ranger. >>> The trainee had hiked the AT twice and had worked for years in a >> "outfitter" >>> store specializing in backpacking. My son is a small 14 year old who >> bought >>> a Jansport internal frame pack from Campmor. It was working fine but > the >>> 2nd day Darren (the ranger in training) looked at his pack, popped it > off >>> his back and in 20 seconds made about 10 adjustments that totally fit > the >>> pack to my son. I am now a big believer in getting the packs from an >> outfit >>> that can fit the pack to the person. We would have been testing and >>> tweaking all week with mixed results I am sure. >>> >>> With the increase in food quantities and extra water carried due to dry >>> conditions, we typically started off with packs weighing around 50 lbs. >>> Bigger is not better and with that weight on a smaller kid, it better > fit >>> correctly. >>> >>> Alan Hamm >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <jpsampson1@mmm.com> >>> To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont" <philmont@troop47.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 8:18 AM >>> Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Backpack review >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Another comment I forgot about until reading Signe's post. The Lowe >> pack >>>> (internal frame) I bought comes in a variety of frame sizes. I am > 5'7", >> my >>>> 16 year old who just bought one is 5'8" and my 14 year-old who has one >> is >>>> 5'6". It's a Lowe Alpine Mountaineering and was made especially for >>>> Galyan's, but is very similar to the Scirocco. Technically, this >>> particular >>>> one is sized for women, but works very well for smaller framed men and >>> boys >>>> as well. With the variety of sizes available, he could probably find >> one >>>> that fits well. I'm not too worried about my sons outgrowing them -- >>> height >>>> just doesn't run in my family! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Signe Rogers" >>>> <HikinMama@iglide. To: Multiple >>> recipients of list philmont >>>> net> > <philmont@troop47.com> >>>> cc: (bcc: Jill P. >>> Sampson/US-Corporate/3M/US) >>>> 07/15/02 05:29 PM Subject: RE: >> [Philmont]: >>> Backpack review >>>> Please respond to >>>> philmont >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> How big is your son at 14? The Red Cloud is a full-sized, wide width >>>> internal backpack. Unless he is already a good sized young man, I >> would >>>> hesitate on this pack thinking it might be too big to fit him >>>> comfortably. I had a red cloud & hated for the fact that it was too >>>> wide & unwieldy on my frame. With a 14 year old, I would suggest >>>> waiting until he gets more growth behind him before making an internal >>>> frame purchase. >>>> >>>> Signe Rogers >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] > On >>>> Behalf Of Kevin >>>> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 4:55 PM >>>> To: Multiple recipients of list philmont >>>> Subject: [Philmont]: Backpack review >>>> >>>> I am looking at a Kelty Redcloud backpack as a present >>>> for my son's 14th birthday next month. We will be >>>> going on a Philmont trek next August (03) and I am a >>>> little torn between buying him his own and borrowing >>>> one that he has used in the past. I'd like a little >>>> input, any comments, both pro and con for the >>>> Redcloud? (I remember some folks really touting this >>>> particular unit in the past so I was curious if there >>>> was still positive feedback on it.) >>>> >>>> Thanks!! >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Do You Yahoo!? >>>> Yahoo! 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commands to: listserv@troop47.com >> Send postings to: philmont@troop47.com >> List FAQ found at: http://usscouts.org/lists/faq.asp >> List Administrator: philmont_owner@troop47.com >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> As you gather around this virtual campfire with fellow >> Scouts and Scouters, do your best to be trustworthy, >> loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, >> cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent. >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> Scouting E-mail Discussion Lists @ usscouts.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe at http://usscouts.org/lists/ >> Listserv Commands at http://usscouts.org/lists/lc.asp >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> Send listserv commands to: listserv@troop47.com >> Send postings to: philmont@troop47.com >> List FAQ found at: http://usscouts.org/lists/faq.asp >> List Administrator: philmont_owner@troop47.com >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> As you gather around this virtual campfire with fellow >> Scouts and Scouters, do your best to be trustworthy, >> loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, >> cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent. >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Scouting E-mail Discussion Lists @ usscouts.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe at http://usscouts.org/lists/ > Listserv Commands at http://usscouts.org/lists/lc.asp > ------------------------------------------------------- > Send listserv commands to: listserv@troop47.com > Send postings to: philmont@troop47.com > List FAQ found at: http://usscouts.org/lists/faq.asp > List Administrator: philmont_owner@troop47.com > ------------------------------------------------------- > As you gather around this virtual campfire with 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