From: Alan R. Hamm (ahamm@alanhamm.com)
Date: Thu Jul 18 2002 - 12:33:31 CDT
Re: [Philmont]: GPS DATA Available?I had not heard that, but it is entirely possible. I know they "de-scrambled" it a couple years ago, finally.
Alan
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From: Mike Bingley
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Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: GPS DATA Available?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the government re-scramble GPS after September 11th. If that's the case, then you'll never be able to get accurate readings.
Mike
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On 7/18/02 6:39 AM, "Alan R. Hamm" <ahamm@alanhamm.com> wrote:
I was told by the gentleman at fish camp that the "Scouts" were going to start making the maps. Not sure what he meant by that. Philmont is a great place to work on map and compass skills. I was surprised how many trails were unmarked and others had such vague general destinations. The GPS was of no real use helping make those decisions. Only a good understanding of map and compass helped.
I did "educate" the crew on how a GPS works and what they can do. I occasionally informed them of the speed they were hiking and was asked very frequently "how far have we hiked". I also sometimes told them the distance to our destination "as a crow flies". The only trail where that was accurate was the trail to Trail Peak and the airplane crash. STRAIGHT UP
I did however quit trying to be precise on my entering waypoints from the maps. I should have been able to locate camps within 100 feet. Again, not even close. I will confess that most of my pre planning was done from a prior generation map. I have not yet compared the newer ones to the old, but I suspect they were the same.
Alan
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From: Gary Dodge <mailto:dodge914@earthlink.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont <mailto:philmont@troop47com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 1:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: GPS DATA Available?
Don't know who's in charge, but we ran across a couple of two person cons crews that were walking trails with GPS units doing exactly what you were doing as well. We carried a GPS unit but didn't bring it out and tempt the crew to depend upon anything but their map and compass skills.
Gary Dodge
Old and feeble, but still a Fox!
"Alan R. Hamm" wrote:
I know that the scouts are in the process of updating their maps and I in fact saw some GPS data being taken at Fish Camp. My Garmin GPS actually leaves a "bread crumb" trail the whole time it is on. So I have a pretty accurate record of the trek we took (13FM) and the "exact" trail locations, again which differs greatly from the topo maps In the right hands, this could be useful information, I think.
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