From: jpsampson1@mmm.com
Date: Tue Jul 16 2002 - 13:48:54 CDT
Another thought on that as well -- be careful when you order from mailorder
to insure you are getting exactly what you think you are getting.
Sportsman's Guide offers the Kelty RedCloud for $99. I know someone who
bought one, and it's NOT the same as the current RedCloud sold at the
outfitters. It was called a RedCloud "Classic" and had some minor
differences -- enough different for them to return it. Their website was
accurate and displayed what they were actually selling, but it is different
when compared to the current RedCloud.
"David F. Ball"
<y2kdave@prodigy.n To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
et> <philmont@troop47.com>
cc: (bcc: Jill P. Sampson/US-Corporate/3M/US)
07/16/02 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Backpack review
Please respond to
philmont
Many people opt for the mailorder or discount purchase because of the price
but nothing beats the cost of having your pack fitted by a professional.
Pay
the extra.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan R. Hamm" <ahamm@alanhamm.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont" <philmont@troop47.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Backpack review
> Our trek started on 7/2 and we had a training ranger and a trainee
ranger.
> The trainee had hiked the AT twice and had worked for years in a
"outfitter"
> store specializing in backpacking. My son is a small 14 year old who
bought
> a Jansport internal frame pack from Campmor. It was working fine but the
> 2nd day Darren (the ranger in training) looked at his pack, popped it off
> his back and in 20 seconds made about 10 adjustments that totally fit the
> pack to my son. I am now a big believer in getting the packs from an
outfit
> that can fit the pack to the person. We would have been testing and
> tweaking all week with mixed results I am sure.
>
> With the increase in food quantities and extra water carried due to dry
> conditions, we typically started off with packs weighing around 50 lbs.
> Bigger is not better and with that weight on a smaller kid, it better fit
> correctly.
>
> Alan Hamm
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jpsampson1@mmm.com>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont" <philmont@troop47.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 8:18 AM
> Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Backpack review
>
>
> >
> > Another comment I forgot about until reading Signe's post. The Lowe
pack
> > (internal frame) I bought comes in a variety of frame sizes. I am 5'7",
my
> > 16 year old who just bought one is 5'8" and my 14 year-old who has one
is
> > 5'6". It's a Lowe Alpine Mountaineering and was made especially for
> > Galyan's, but is very similar to the Scirocco. Technically, this
> particular
> > one is sized for women, but works very well for smaller framed men and
> boys
> > as well. With the variety of sizes available, he could probably find
one
> > that fits well. I'm not too worried about my sons outgrowing them --
> height
> > just doesn't run in my family!
> >
> >
> >
> > "Signe Rogers"
> > <HikinMama@iglide. To: Multiple
> recipients of list philmont
> > net> <philmont@troop47.com>
> > cc: (bcc: Jill P.
> Sampson/US-Corporate/3M/US)
> > 07/15/02 05:29 PM Subject: RE:
[Philmont]:
> Backpack review
> > Please respond to
> > philmont
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > How big is your son at 14? The Red Cloud is a full-sized, wide width
> > internal backpack. Unless he is already a good sized young man, I
would
> > hesitate on this pack thinking it might be too big to fit him
> > comfortably. I had a red cloud & hated for the fact that it was too
> > wide & unwieldy on my frame. With a 14 year old, I would suggest
> > waiting until he gets more growth behind him before making an internal
> > frame purchase.
> >
> > Signe Rogers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
> > Behalf Of Kevin
> > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 4:55 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
> > Subject: [Philmont]: Backpack review
> >
> > I am looking at a Kelty Redcloud backpack as a present
> > for my son's 14th birthday next month. We will be
> > going on a Philmont trek next August (03) and I am a
> > little torn between buying him his own and borrowing
> > one that he has used in the past. I'd like a little
> > input, any comments, both pro and con for the
> > Redcloud? (I remember some folks really touting this
> > particular unit in the past so I was curious if there
> > was still positive feedback on it.)
> >
> > Thanks!!
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