Re: [Philmont]: Most violated policy at Philmont?

I participated in an LNT study where we smeared it around on rocks. That
was fun.

Theory in the dry areas is the urea does not breakdown or wash away. As
such, it is deposited in the river. Feces does not ever breakdown in the
desert, therefore you pack it.

Don't worry about the bears, you will all be packing it out soon from all
Federal land masses. All rivers in the west now are pack out, backpackers
are going to be next. The reason why no one needs to tell the bears is they
don't look for a spot to take a crap. They just crap. Humans look for the
perfect spot. (Don't believe me think about it.) A view, a seat, away from
people etc. Consequently we are crap in the same place, over and over
again. Easier to teach a new habit, pack it out, then to change an old one,
find a new place to crap.

Jim

James H. Moss
PO Box 16743
Golden, CO 80402-6012

303-807-2275
JHMoss@Earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Bob Klein" <drbob@troop111.org>
To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont" <philmont@troop47.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Most violated policy at Philmont?

> I have just read this and all the other posts and have to admit total
> surprise - in the late 1980's/early 90's, I was repeatedly taught to
> make "poop soup" in the cathole, as this allegedly greatly speeded up
> the decomposition of the paper and other "products". We were told to
> take the marker stick and actual stir everything around before doing the
> coverup. This was said to be especially important in semi-arid climates
> (like Philmont) where rain was (generally) uncommon. Am I the only one
> who was taught this methodology? When did it change?
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> One point of correction - urine contains very little ammonia (Thank God,
> or we'd all be screaming 10 - 20 times a day!) The compound is urea,
> which chemistry (hydrolysis) and bacteriological action later convert to
> ammonia. How this affects poop degradation I don't know, scatology not
> exactly being my forte.
>
> Any experts out there???
>
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> White, Billy Wayne (GECP, MABG, 037370) wrote:
> > Our ranger told us during "latrine training" that the policy at Philmont
> > is no urine in the latrine. She said it had been determined that the
> > ammonia in urine slowed down the decomposition of the solid waste. We
> > were told if we had to do "number 1 and number 2", to do "number 1" on a
> > flat rock outside the latrine and then finish "number 2" inside the
> > latrine. I couldn't help but laugh at that suggestion. She took no
> > offense to my laughter and I meant none. As she stressed the point
> > further I asked, "what about when using a cathole?"
> > She said the same rule applies, "no urine on feces."
> >
> > I haven't seen any other posts about this unusual policy and wondered if
> > anyone else received similar instruction. I don't doubt the truth of her
> > statement but the reality of it being done is very unlikely, especially
> > when the call of Nature is for both "number 1 and number 2."
> >
> > There is no doubt in my mind this is the most violated policy at
Philmont.
> >
> >
> > Wayne White
> >
> > CC Troop 222,
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> > Moulton, AL
> >
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