That is usually a theoretic vs. practical issue based on how the equipment
was obtained. But you are correct, it could be a major snag. We documented
every penny in direct financial contributions from the Church and were very
careful to spend it on items we didn't care to leave behind, or camperships,
etc. For example, we bought the Troop flags with "their" donation. We bought
stoves with popcorn money. It may be splitting hairs but it cannot hurt. If
the Vets (in this case) donated thousands for equipment, it would be an
issue, both legal and ethical.
YiS,
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of The Putnam Family
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 6:25 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Leadership approval question
One thing to remember. If I remember correctly, the chartering
orgainzation owns the equipment, not the Scout Troop.
Steve
jpsampson1@mmm.com wrote:
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>Thanks. The Vets have their space at a bowling alley but it's a bar, smoky,
>and not a good environment for scout meeting!. The school we were meeting
>at let us use the cafeteria but the layout was terrible for ceremonies,
>there is no storage space and we were at the mercy of the school schedule
>(too many Monday holidays and the troop couldn't meet). The other schools
>in the area posed the same problem, and most of the churches that are
>interested already have scout troops. The church we have found is an ideal
>location and facility -- wooded property to camp on if we want to, nice
>fellowship hall for meetings, a worship center and heritage chapel for
>ceremonies, and conference rooms for break-out sessions or SM conferences,
>BORs etc. and best of all STORAGE SPACE! All I did was get the pastor's
>e-mail and ASK and he was all for it! They had been approached in the past
>about chartering a faltering Cub Scout pack but the pack didn't have any
>leaders and the church didn't want to have to start recruiting leaders from
>the membership when none of the members had sons in the pack, nor much
>background in scouting. But they were all for supporting a Boy Scout Troop
>with a full staff of leaders. I don't think they want the responsibility of
>being the charter partner, but may be open to it down the road. As for the
>Vets, they have are helping us buy a new trailer and we don't want to
>discontinue that relationship -- they are being as helpful as they can be
>under the circumstances. Thanks for your input!
>
>Jill
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>Requesting change of Chartered Org, might prompt Vets Service org into
>finding you a convenient meeting place! Good Luck and Best Wishes! YiS:
>Jerry D Bailey
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Welton [mailto:jwelton@rgv.rr.com]
>Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 6:03 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
>Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Leadership approval question
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>Jill,
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>Before adding any more rules, did you explain that all BSA volunteers have
>been given background checks?
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>My second thought is would the American Vets mind if you just switched
>Charter Organizations and they became the "extra help"? That way the local
>Church would be approving all volunteers through the usual BSA process.
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>Finally, doing it their way, see what kind of checking they would like to
>have. If it's a howdy and a shake, I don't think it will get in the way too
>much.
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>YiS,
>Jim Welton
>McAllen, TX.
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
>Behalf Of jpsampson1@mmm.com
>Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 12:13 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
>Subject: [Philmont]: Leadership approval question
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>Our troop is chartered through the local American Vets, but they do not
>have a place for us to meet. In the past, we have met at a local elementary
>school. While the school has been very gracious to allow us to meet there,
>the cafeteria facility is less than ideal for meetings and our meeting
>schedule is restricted by school holidays and vacations. Therefore, we have
>been looking into alternatives. A local church is considering allowing us
>to use their facility, and it is an ideal set-up. We have been able to
>answer all of their questions so for, except one. The want to know if there
>is a process to include them in the process of choosing future leaders.
>They are asking this to protect both the church and the scout troop, which
>I understand. I'm sure there must be other troops out there who are
>chartered by one organization, but meet elsewhere. Does anyone on the list
>have a leadership approval process in place? Does anyone foresee any
>problems? Thanks!
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>Jill Sampson
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