Re: [Philmont]: Stoves, II

You know, it just occurred to me that the people on this list must be
the best advised people on what the rules are for shipping
stoves/flying with stoves/buying stoves. Knowing that stoves are not as
common of a thing to try to take on an airplane (compared to, say, ski
poles, I'll bet that you folks are now better informed than the average
gate clerk, UPS clerk, post office worker,etc on the subject.

Read this as: they might tell you something that isn't true when you
get to the gate and take your stove away.

If this happens, remember that stoves are relatively inexpensive and
not worth throwing a fit over. The last thing any of us wants is to be
traveling in our uniform some time and have the clerk say "oh, a Scout,
eh? Last Scout I had in here was a real jerk about a stove."

Cheers

Bing

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On Jul 21, 2004, at 7:02 AM, Frederick Plumb wrote:
> I just spoke to Delta Customer support who advise that stoves are 
> allowed and fuel cyliders must be new.  We'll see.
>
> Rick Plumb, Crew Advisor
> Scoutmaster, Troop 1004
> Birmingham, MI 48009
> 2004 Crew 725-E
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> (formerly crew member of crew 625, 1972)
>
>>>> drbob@troop111.org 07/21/04 06:39AM >>>
> Folks:  As some will recall, we are taking a Philmont make-up trip to
> the Sierras this summer (starting Friday), so have been faced with the
> stove issue also.  Bottom line appears to be, no airline will accept
> stoves or bottles as luggage anymore (even brand new ones still in the
> boxes), and none of the express mail services (FedEx, UPS, USPS) will
> accept them as air cargo either.  The express mail services will accept
> as "ground freight", but this takes anywhere from 10 days to 3 weeks, 
> so
> the term "express" appears to be oxymoronic in this case.  As someone
> mentioned last night, many shipping clerks have no idea of what to do
> yet, and so you need to be prepared to work around obstructionism - or
> go somewhere else, or come back later for another clerk.  We finally
> just gave up and arranged purchase of new stoves and bottles at a
> camping store on our way to Yosemite.  How I'll get them back home I
> don't know yet - perhaps I'll just donate them to a Scout Troop in the 
> area.
>
> Couple of warning remarks.  Letters from higher-up airline personnel
> granting you permission to bring stoves and bottles with you are very
> likely no longer valid, and will quite probably be rejected anyway.  
> And
> has been stated multiple times on this list, trying to "smuggle" stuff
> on board in checked baggage is both unScoutlike and quite probably
> illegal, and may have serious legal consequences (i.e., don't do it).
>
> Lastly, remember Philmont has stoves for rent (Peak One 440's, I 
> think),
> though if this problem becomes insurmountable they're going to need a
> lot more.  And if you can't deal with the hassle of sending your stoves
> home, perhaps you can donate them to the Ranch.
>
> Off to the salt mines.
>
> - Dr. Bob
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