RE: [Philmont]: Stoves, II

To all;

Has anyone on this list personally had a problem taking a cleaned out stove
and bottle on board an aircraft? Obviously you cannot take a gas canister
BUT the stove itself or a properly cleaned out white gas canister is not a
fire hazard. I have talked to TSA and they do not have a problem with a
bottle or stove that is properly cleaned. (Remember TSA is the Government
not the airline. The airline does not inspect your bag). As I have stated
before I am more worried about all of the butane lighters people leave in
their packs than a cleaned out stove. But I do not make the policies I just
fly the aircraft.

BTW Here is Southwest's Policy from their web site on camping gear and I am
going to try and get the first policy changed now that I found out what it
is.

*Camp stoves and lanterns are fueled with either a flammable liquid or
flammable gas, and due to the strict nature of the hazardous material
regulations, Southwest does not allow stoves or lanterns that have had
liquid fuel introduced into their systems to be transported in checked or
carryon baggage.

*Southwest will allow brand new equipment (only in manufacturer's box) to be
transported, but the fuel must not be transported with the unit on the
aircraft. Any evidence of fuel or use of the equipment will result in
refusal to transport the equipment.

*Camping equipment that is operated by compressed gas (e.g., butane
cylinders) will be conditionally accepted (Southwest accepts no liability
for damage). Fuel cylinders are not allowed and must be removed prior to
offering your baggage.

*Safety matches and lighters (butane or absorbed flammable liquid) are
allowed on your person or in carryon baggage only. You are limited to four
books of safety matches and two lighters. See Matches and Lighters for more
details.

*Knives, axes, and other cutting instruments must have the blades protected
and stowed in checked baggage only.

Also BTW Philmont was able to mail back my white gas stove and bottles WITH
no problems after I have cleaned the bottles and proper airing. It just cost
$7.50 for each stove + 2 bottles.

Stan Clark

ASM Troop 63

701-Q1

PS I am a Captain at Southwest Airlines

-----Original Message-----

From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Dr. Bob Klein

Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 6:40 AM

To: Multiple recipients of list Philmont

Subject: [Philmont]: Stoves, II

Folks: As some will recall, we are taking a Philmont make-up trip to

the Sierras this summer (starting Friday), so have been faced with the

stove issue also. Bottom line appears to be, no airline will accept

stoves or bottles as luggage anymore (even brand new ones still in the

boxes), and none of the express mail services (FedEx, UPS, USPS) will

accept them as air cargo either. The express mail services will accept

as "ground freight", but this takes anywhere from 10 days to 3 weeks, so

the term "express" appears to be oxymoronic in this case. As someone

mentioned last night, many shipping clerks have no idea of what to do

yet, and so you need to be prepared to work around obstructionism - or

go somewhere else, or come back later for another clerk. We finally

just gave up and arranged purchase of new stoves and bottles at a

camping store on our way to Yosemite. How I'll get them back home I

don't know yet - perhaps I'll just donate them to a Scout Troop in the area.

Couple of warning remarks. Letters from higher-up airline personnel

granting you permission to bring stoves and bottles with you are very

likely no longer valid, and will quite probably be rejected anyway. And

has been stated multiple times on this list, trying to "smuggle" stuff

on board in checked baggage is both unScoutlike and quite probably

illegal, and may have serious legal consequences (i.e., don't do it).

Lastly, remember Philmont has stoves for rent (Peak One 440's, I think),

though if this problem becomes insurmountable they're going to need a

lot more. And if you can't deal with the hassle of sending your stoves

home, perhaps you can donate them to the Ranch.

Off to the salt mines.

- Dr. Bob

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Received on Wed Jul 21 12:45:02 2004