RE: [Philmont]: Stoves, II

For what it's worth, members of our crew shipped stoves out to Philmont this
year via UPS and USPS (following the method of cleaning out the stove,
washing and airing out the tanks, etc.). They arrived in fine condition. The
owners of each stove made the decision out there to pack their stoves in
their luggage, against better advice, for the return trip. Upon return to
base camp, they washed and aired their stoves and bottles and packed them in
their luggage. Neither of them were challenged by anyone at the Albuquerque
airport (where I believe they xray all of the checked luggage) and their
baggage made it back to ATL unmolested.

Ron Hamlin
ASM Troop 326
Athens, GA
Philmont '04 624-K4

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Jim Moss: BSA Law
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:41 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Stoves, II

TSA controls what you can carry on an airplane as a passenger. FAA controls
what goes on airplanes as luggage. (FAA always has controlled this and
these laws are over 10 years old!) If you want to see what you can get on an
airplane you have to check with both the TSA and the FAA and believe me, the
TSA has no idea what the FAA regulations are!

Jim

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Martin" <dwmartin@stny.rr.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont" <philmont@troop47.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Stoves, II

> Rick Plumb said "I just spoke to Delta Customer support ...."
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> It sure would be nice if there were *one* definitive source of information
on this topic.
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> The TSA website
> http://www.tsa.gov/public/display?content=0900051980068395
> still says (as of 10:00AM EDT 7/21/2004)
> "Camp Stoves - Can travel as carry-on or checked luggage only if empty of
all fuel and cleaned such that vapors and residue are absent. Simply
emptying the fuel container is insufficient as flammable vapors remain."
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> Unfortunately, there is no "last updated on X date" on this page, so
either (1) those who reported that the rules recently changed had actually
encountered a clerk who did not know the rules, or (2) the TSA is slow to
update their website.
> Wanna take bets which is correct? Maybe both?
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> Dave Martin
> Endwell NY
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