The Phil-list Jul_2004: RE: [Philmont]: Stoves, II (Out of Offi

From: Tim Tucker <TTucker@atsu.edu>
Date: Wed Jul 21 2004 - 18:32:34 CDT

Thanks for the message. I'm out of the office today. I expect to
return July 26 and will reply then. If you need more immediate
assistance, please contact Amy Elschlager at 626-2356 or by e-mail at
aelschlager@atsu.edu. tt

>>> philmont 07/21/04 18:29 >>>

Our crew flew Delta from Atlanta to Colorado Springs for our Philmont
trek and we got almost the same answer from them - stoves were allowed
but not fuel cylinders. We arrived at the airport, checked our packs
and were on our way with no problem, same for the return trip, no
problems. This was not the case in 2002, we had to ship our stoves via
UPS ground both ways.

Karl Hebert
Troop 39
Cumming, GA

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
Behalf Of Frederick Plumb
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:03 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Stoves, II

I just spoke to Delta Customer support who advise that stoves are
allowed and fuel cyliders must be new. We'll see.

Rick Plumb, Crew Advisor
Scoutmaster, Troop 1004
Birmingham, MI 48009
2004 Crew 725-E

(formerly crew member of crew 625, 1972)

>>> drbob@troop111.org 07/21/04 06:39AM >>>
Folks: As some will recall, we are taking a Philmont make-up trip to
the Sierras this summer (starting Friday), so have been faced with the
stove issue also. Bottom line appears to be, no airline will accept
stoves or bottles as luggage anymore (even brand new ones still in the
boxes), and none of the express mail services (FedEx, UPS, USPS) will
accept them as air cargo either. The express mail services will accept
as "ground freight", but this takes anywhere from 10 days to 3 weeks, so

the term "express" appears to be oxymoronic in this case. As someone
mentioned last night, many shipping clerks have no idea of what to do
yet, and so you need to be prepared to work around obstructionism - or
go somewhere else, or come back later for another clerk. We finally
just gave up and arranged purchase of new stoves and bottles at a
camping store on our way to Yosemite. How I'll get them back home I
don't know yet - perhaps I'll just donate them to a Scout Troop in the
area.

Couple of warning remarks. Letters from higher-up airline personnel
granting you permission to bring stoves and bottles with you are very
likely no longer valid, and will quite probably be rejected anyway. And

has been stated multiple times on this list, trying to "smuggle" stuff
on board in checked baggage is both unScoutlike and quite probably
illegal, and may have serious legal consequences (i.e., don't do it).

Lastly, remember Philmont has stoves for rent (Peak One 440's, I think),

though if this problem becomes insurmountable they're going to need a
lot more. And if you can't deal with the hassle of sending your stoves
home, perhaps you can donate them to the Ranch.

Off to the salt mines.

- Dr. Bob

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RE: [Philmont]: Stoves, II (Out of Office)