Re: [Philmont]: Ground cloth inside the tent

Exactly the reason the debate over "innie" vs "outie" rages on. (I guess "rages on" may be a little strong.... lol)

Yes, in an "outie" situation, one should tuck the ground cloth under the tent. That doesn't, however, ensure perfect performance. Movement inside the tent (or even wind) can expose the ground cloth causing it to become a rain collector (and usually in the middle of the night!) Heavy rain can find the slightest of depressions under the tent and go there.

The way the ground cloth is laying will determine whether or not it will perform as expected. If the rain is a light drizzle, no problem. But should the rain be heavier, water flow can go over the folded edges of the ground cloth causing water to accumulate between the sheet and the tent floor. In that case, water has only one place to go - through the tent floor and onto the things you want to keep dry.

Not intended to sway anyone, but as one who perfers an "innie", I've never had wet gear. Just my two cents....

Pete Swiggum
Troop 1173
Green Bay, WI
Peter.Swiggum@sbcglobal.net
2005 Philmont 724-M2
 
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Allen Corzine
  To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
  Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 8:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Ground cloth inside the tent

  I was always taught that the ground cloth should be tucked under the tent's edge, therefore no water collects onto it. I guess I am lucky, I never have had a problem with water collecting onto the ground cloth b/t it and the tent floor.

  On the other hand, having a layer b/t the scout and the floor of the tent can help make cleaning the tent easier.

  six of one, half dozen of the other, I guess.

  allen

  just a sly fox, and remember, my opinion and $ will buy coffee at the trading post

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Pete Swiggum
    To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
    Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 7:01 AM
    Subject: [Philmont]: Ground cloth inside the tent

    For those who have never heard of using a ground cloth inside your tent:

    There are two schools of thought regarding the placement of a tent's ground
    cloth (or footprint). I've seen it discussed many times as the "innie vs.
    outie" debate.

    Outie:
    One places the ground cloth on the ground then sets the tent on top of it.
    This method protects the bottom side of the floor on the tent, but
    potentially can be a collection point for rain water. Then, if water gets
    between the ground cloth and the floor, the water has nowhere to go but
    through the floor fabric making the gear inside of the tent wet.

    Innie:
    In this case, the tent is set up and the ground cloth is placed inside the
    tent (kind of like a second floor). One's sleeping bag and pad and all
    other gear is placed on top of it. The value of this method is that no
    matter what, water will not come up through the plastic (or whatever the
    ground cloth material is) and that the gear will stay dry. Especially if
    the tent is older and the floor fabric isn't as waterproof, this method
    works very well. The only downside to the "Innie" method is that the bottom
    of the tent gets dirty and is subjected to more rocks, roots and sharp
    points from which a ground cloth might protect.

    I prefer the latter.

    Pete Swiggum
    Troop 1173
    Green Bay, WI
    Peter.Swiggum@sbcglobal.net
    Philmont 2005 724-M2

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    From: "Steve Mac" <oldbatteryman725@comcast.net>
    To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont" <philmont@troop47.com>
    Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 4:50 AM
    Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Philmont Tent and Dining Fly Questions

> When we used the Philtents in 02, they told us to put the sheets of
    plastic
> we had for ground tarp or foot print inside on the floor of the tent. I
> really don't remember the reason. We have used our own tents since that
> trip.
> Steve MacIntyre
> Philmont Advisor, 02, 03, 05, 07
> Troop 777, Hermitage, TN
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Tavares" <j.tavares@comcast.net>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont" <philmont@troop47.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 00:48
> Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Philmont Tent and Dining Fly Questions
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> 10 stakes for dining fly per Coop Wright's equipment list.
> I don't know anything about the tents as we use our own.
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> Why would you have plastic on the inside of your tent?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
> Behalf Of Robert Gardere
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:15 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
> Subject: [Philmont]: Philmont Tent and Dining Fly Questions
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> How many stakes does it take for a Philmont tent?
> How many stakes does it take for a Philmont Dining Fly?
> Do we need to furnish these?
> What are the dimensions for a ground trap for a Philmont tent?
> What are the Dimensions for a plastic sheet on the inside?
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> Thanks in advance.
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> Bob Gardere
> ASM T-895
> Richardson Texas
> Trek 21
> 725 B2
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