In the book Basic Essentials Camping (which I see in almost every
council scoutshop I visit) Cliff Jacobson gives about as good an
exposition on the inside plastic (or as we're coming to use, the inside
Tyvek) being the far superior idea. (Also see Amazon -
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/104-6704548-5855132
) Basicially it comes down to do you want to have a secure tent floor or
safe and secure campers. With our backpacking tents the "footprint"
that fits the tent probably adds 6 ounces and the interior plastic adds
10 to 12 more.
Gary Boyd
Crew 151 CC
Georgetown, Texas
622-N1
Pete Swiggum wrote:
> Exactly the reason the debate over "innie" vs "outie" rages on. (I
> guess "rages on" may be a little strong.... lol)
>
> Yes, in an "outie" situation, one should tuck the ground cloth under
> the tent. That doesn't, however, ensure perfect performance.
> Movement inside the tent (or even wind) can expose the ground cloth
> causing it to become a rain collector (and usually in the middle of
> the night!) Heavy rain can find the slightest of depressions under
> the tent and go there.
>
> The way the ground cloth is laying will determine whether or not it
> will perform as expected. If the rain is a light drizzle, no
> problem. But should the rain be heavier, water flow can go over the
> folded edges of the ground cloth causing water to accumulate between
> the sheet and the tent floor. In that case, water has only one place
> to go - through the tent floor and onto the things you want to keep dry.
>
> Not intended to sway anyone, but as one who perfers an "innie", I've
> never had wet gear. Just my two cents....
>
> Pete Swiggum
> Troop 1173
> Green Bay, WI
> Peter.Swiggum@sbcglobal.net <mailto:Peter.Swiggum@sbcglobal.net>
> 2005 Philmont 724-M2
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Allen Corzine <mailto:a_sly_fox@msn.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
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> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 8:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Ground cloth inside the tent
>
> I was always taught that the ground cloth should be tucked under
> the tent's edge, therefore no water collects onto it. I guess I
> am lucky, I never have had a problem with water collecting onto
> the ground cloth b/t it and the tent floor.
>
> On the other hand, having a layer b/t the scout and the floor of
> the tent can help make cleaning the tent easier.
>
> six of one, half dozen of the other, I guess.
>
> allen
>
> just a sly fox, and remember, my opinion and $ will buy coffee at
> the trading post
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pete Swiggum <mailto:peter.swiggum@sbcglobal.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
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> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 7:01 AM
> Subject: [Philmont]: Ground cloth inside the tent
>
> For those who have never heard of using a ground cloth inside
> your tent:
>
> There are two schools of thought regarding the placement of a
> tent's ground
> cloth (or footprint). I've seen it discussed many times as
> the "innie vs.
> outie" debate.
>
> Outie:
> One places the ground cloth on the ground then sets the tent
> on top of it.
> This method protects the bottom side of the floor on the tent, but
> potentially can be a collection point for rain water. Then,
> if water gets
> between the ground cloth and the floor, the water has nowhere
> to go but
> through the floor fabric making the gear inside of the tent wet.
>
> Innie:
> In this case, the tent is set up and the ground cloth is
> placed inside the
> tent (kind of like a second floor). One's sleeping bag and
> pad and all
> other gear is placed on top of it. The value of this method
> is that no
> matter what, water will not come up through the plastic (or
> whatever the
> ground cloth material is) and that the gear will stay dry.
> Especially if
> the tent is older and the floor fabric isn't as waterproof,
> this method
> works very well. The only downside to the "Innie" method is
> that the bottom
> of the tent gets dirty and is subjected to more rocks, roots
> and sharp
> points from which a ground cloth might protect.
>
> I prefer the latter.
>
> Pete Swiggum
> Troop 1173
> Green Bay, WI
> Peter.Swiggum@sbcglobal.net <mailto:Peter.Swiggum@sbcglobal.net>
> Philmont 2005 724-M2
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Mac" <oldbatteryman725@comcast.net
> <mailto:oldbatteryman725@comcast.net>>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont"
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> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 4:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Philmont Tent and Dining Fly Questions
>
>
> > When we used the Philtents in 02, they told us to put the
> sheets of
> plastic
> > we had for ground tarp or foot print inside on the floor of
> the tent. I
> > really don't remember the reason. We have used our own
> tents since that
> > trip.
> > Steve MacIntyre
> > Philmont Advisor, 02, 03, 05, 07
> > Troop 777, Hermitage, TN
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Tavares" <j.tavares@comcast.net
> <mailto:j.tavares@comcast.net>>
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont"
> <philmont@troop47.com <mailto:philmont@troop47.com>>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 00:48
> > Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Philmont Tent and Dining Fly Questions
> >
> >
> > 10 stakes for dining fly per Coop Wright's equipment list.
> > I don't know anything about the tents as we use our own.
> >
> > Why would you have plastic on the inside of your tent?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-philmont@troop47.com
> <mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com>
> [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
> > Behalf Of Robert Gardere
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:15 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
> > Subject: [Philmont]: Philmont Tent and Dining Fly Questions
> >
> > How many stakes does it take for a Philmont tent?
> > How many stakes does it take for a Philmont Dining Fly?
> > Do we need to furnish these?
> > What are the dimensions for a ground trap for a Philmont tent?
> > What are the Dimensions for a plastic sheet on the inside?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Bob Gardere
> > ASM T-895
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