I have been to Philmont 4 times, twice for training and twice on a long term backpack. Both times I did the long term I dropped 30 lbs to meet the weight during the year prior to the trek. I think the key is to get within 5lbs of goal. My daughter who worked there as a ranger told me that most adults drop at least 5lbs over the week and many as much as 10 lbs. I took the weight issue seriously. The weight restrictions are useful guidelines for the strenuous physical activity of the treks. It's not wise to assume that at higher elevation, and under stress that
your body will say "yippee" and fall into line. The blood pressure I am told raises
a little anyway with the elevation. Adults have died at Philmont from heart attacks.
You have to use common sense. Train, exercise and get ready for the trek. That goes for youth and adults. You will be more comfortable, and have a better time. We train for up to a year prior with our crews at higher elevation. The minimum training for us is 10-15 miles over three days. We generally will work in at least 5-8 training hikes before going to Philmont. Our kids bond as a team, and are well prepared for their trek time.
As an adult advisor you have to be at your best and set the example. I was at Philmont once getting my blood pressure checked and an adult who had just had heart surgery was arguing about not being allowed to hike a 10 day trek! I guess it takes all kinds, but I'd rather error on the safe side!
Lisa Tuck, ASM
Troop 761
Thousand Oaks, CA
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> 'RE: [Philmont]: Philmont Tent and Dining Fly Questions'
> 'RE: [Philmont]: Philmont Tent and Dining Fly Questions'
> 'Re: [Philmont]: Philmont Tent and Dining Fly Questions'
> 'over the height & weight limit for a scout'
> 'Over the height & weight limit for a scout'
> 'Ground cloth inside the tent'
> 'Re: [Philmont]: Over the height & weight limit for a scout'
> 'Re: [Philmont]: Over the height & weight limit for a scout'
> 'Re: [Philmont]: Over the height & weight limit for a scout'
> 'Re: [Philmont]: over the height & weight limit for a scout'
> 'Re: [Philmont]: Ground cloth inside the tent'
> 'RE: [Philmont]: Over the height & weight limit for a scout'
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> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:48:27 -0500
> From: "Joe Tavares" <j.tavares@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Philmont Tent and Dining Fly Questions
>
>
> 10 stakes for dining fly per Coop Wright's equipment list.
> I don't know anything about the tents as we use our own.
>
> Why would you have plastic on the inside of your tent?
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:15 AM
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> Subject: [Philmont]: Philmont Tent and Dining Fly Questions
>
> How many stakes does it take for a Philmont tent?
> How many stakes does it take for a Philmont Dining Fly?
> Do we need to furnish these?
> What are the dimensions for a ground trap for a Philmont tent?
> What are the Dimensions for a plastic sheet on the inside?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Bob Gardere
> ASM T-895
> Richardson Texas
> Trek 21
> 725 B2
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> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 00:50:01 -0500
> From: "David Pittman" <dpittman@coolaccess.net>
> Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Philmont Tent and Dining Fly Questions
>
>
> Philmont Tent ground cover is 5.5' x 7.5'
>
> It is stated in the guide book that each crew member should take 10 tent
> stakes. This is a good practice because Scouts lose several during the
> trek. If each take 10, tehn you will have enough for the Dining Fly (which
> takes 6-10, depending on how many side stakes you use).
>
> David Pittman
> C322
> Greenville, TX
> 621-L1, '05
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> -----Original Message-----
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> How many stakes does it take for a Philmont tent?
> How many stakes does it take for a Philmont Dining Fly?
> Do we need to furnish these?
> What are the dimensions for a ground trap for a Philmont tent?
> What are the Dimensions for a plastic sheet on the inside?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Bob Gardere
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> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 05:50:37 -0400
> From: "Steve Mac" <oldbatteryman725@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Philmont Tent and Dining Fly Questions
>
>
> When we used the Philtents in 02, they told us to put the sheets of plastic
> we had for ground tarp or foot print inside on the floor of the tent. I
> really don't remember the reason. We have used our own tents since that
> trip.
> Steve MacIntyre
> Philmont Advisor, 02, 03, 05, 07
> Troop 777, Hermitage, TN
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Tavares" <j.tavares@comcast.net>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont" <philmont@troop47.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 00:48
> Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Philmont Tent and Dining Fly Questions
>
>
> 10 stakes for dining fly per Coop Wright's equipment list.
> I don't know anything about the tents as we use our own.
>
> Why would you have plastic on the inside of your tent?
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Robert Gardere
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:15 AM
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> Subject: [Philmont]: Philmont Tent and Dining Fly Questions
>
> How many stakes does it take for a Philmont tent?
> How many stakes does it take for a Philmont Dining Fly?
> Do we need to furnish these?
> What are the dimensions for a ground trap for a Philmont tent?
> What are the Dimensions for a plastic sheet on the inside?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
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> ASM T-895
> Richardson Texas
> Trek 21
> 725 B2
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> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 05:57:42 -0400
> From: "Steve Mac" <oldbatteryman725@comcast.net>
> Subject: over the height & weight limit for a scout
>
>
> I have learned this trip that if you have a Scout that is over the height &
> weight limit, the thing to do is to have your Doctor call the Philmont
> medical staff and go over this with them. It's on the medical form
> somewhere that a Scout under 21 can be 20 lbs over his height & weight limit
> if they are not over the 295 lb limit and it's discussed with them to get
> pre approved. Your local Dr will fax them a copy and when you check in its
> not a problem. I just don't remember a thread on this in the past.
> Steve MacIntyre
> Philmont Advisor, 02, 03, 05, 07
> Troop 777, Hermitage, TN
> =(:)
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 7:22:48 -0400
> From: <mickmeyer@cox.net>
> Subject: Over the height & weight limit for a scout
>
>
> Hi:
> The Philmont medical staff is serious about enforcing the maximum weight limits. Last summer I spent some time in the medical shack (after being thrown off a horse at Beaubien, watch out for the big bay named Spike). A Scout from Chicago was sent home for being above the maximum weight limits. He was a big stocky football player and looked like he could have carried a 100 pound pack with ease. The head of the medical staff spent a lot of time on the phone talking to the Scouts mom. But the Scout was unfortunately sent home. The crew leaders should have worked the problem before the Scout arrived at Philmont.
>
> Best regards,
> Mick Meyer
> Chesapeake, Virginia
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:01:44 -0500
> From: "Pete Swiggum" <peter.swiggum@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Ground cloth inside the tent
>
>
> For those who have never heard of using a ground cloth inside your tent:
>
> There are two schools of thought regarding the placement of a tent's ground
> cloth (or footprint). I've seen it discussed many times as the "innie vs.
> outie" debate.
>
> Outie:
> One places the ground cloth on the ground then sets the tent on top of it.
> This method protects the bottom side of the floor on the tent, but
> potentially can be a collection point for rain water. Then, if water gets
> between the ground cloth and the floor, the water has nowhere to go but
> through the floor fabric making the gear inside of the tent wet.
>
> Innie:
> In this case, the tent is set up and the ground cloth is placed inside the
> tent (kind of like a second floor). One's sleeping bag and pad and all
> other gear is placed on top of it. The value of this method is that no
> matter what, water will not come up through the plastic (or whatever the
> ground cloth material is) and that the gear will stay dry. Especially if
> the tent is older and the floor fabric isn't as waterproof, this method
> works very well. The only downside to the "Innie" method is that the bottom
> of the tent gets dirty and is subjected to more rocks, roots and sharp
> points from which a ground cloth might protect.
>
> I prefer the latter.
>
> Pete Swiggum
> Troop 1173
> Green Bay, WI
> Peter.Swiggum@sbcglobal.net
> Philmont 2005 724-M2
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Mac" <oldbatteryman725@comcast.net>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont" <philmont@troop47.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 4:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Philmont Tent and Dining Fly Questions
>
>
> > When we used the Philtents in 02, they told us to put the sheets of
> plastic
> > we had for ground tarp or foot print inside on the floor of the tent. I
> > really don't remember the reason. We have used our own tents since that
> > trip.
> > Steve MacIntyre
> > Philmont Advisor, 02, 03, 05, 07
> > Troop 777, Hermitage, TN
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Tavares" <j.tavares@comcast.net>
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont" <philmont@troop47.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 00:48
> > Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Philmont Tent and Dining Fly Questions
> >
> >
> > 10 stakes for dining fly per Coop Wright's equipment list.
> > I don't know anything about the tents as we use our own.
> >
> > Why would you have plastic on the inside of your tent?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-philmont@troop47.com [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
> > Behalf Of Robert Gardere
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:15 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
> > Subject: [Philmont]: Philmont Tent and Dining Fly Questions
> >
> > How many stakes does it take for a Philmont tent?
> > How many stakes does it take for a Philmont Dining Fly?
> > Do we need to furnish these?
> > What are the dimensions for a ground trap for a Philmont tent?
> > What are the Dimensions for a plastic sheet on the inside?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Bob Gardere
> > ASM T-895
> > Richardson Texas
> > Trek 21
> > 725 B2
> >
> >
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> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 05:12:53 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Andre Houser <ahouser@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Over the height & weight limit for a scout
>
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> Hi:
> The Philmont medical staff is serious about enforcing the maximum weight limits.
>
>
>
> Hi all you philmont listers:
>
> Just FYI, on our trek this year, in late June, no one was even weighed at medical re-check. I personally took in a physical that showed me 3 pounds under the max for my height, and I had to have my BP checked twice, and all they did was ask me if my weight had changed. I told them it was a little less than the physical showed (a true statement) but they didn't check me. Guess it depends on who does the re-check.
>
> Andre Houser
> Troop 109
> DeSoto, TX
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> <DIV>Just FYI, on our trek this year, in late June, no one was even weighed at medical re-check. I personally took in a physical that showed me 3 pounds under the max for my height, and I had to have my BP checked twice, and all they did was ask me if my weight had changed. I told them it was a little less than the physical showed (a true statement) but they didn't check me. Guess it depends on who does the re-check.</DIV>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:03:55 -0500
> From: "Mollie McAuliffe" <molliem@ev1.net>
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Over the height & weight limit for a scout
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> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:12:40 -0400
> From: dtadsen@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Over the height & weight limit for a scout
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> Speaking of blood pressure. Make sure the medical tech. who re-checks your blood pressure is using a an "adult" cuff. We had one adult this year you spent almost 18 hours trying to get his blood pressure into an acceptable range. He had no previous problems, like 120/80 at home. It was not until 8am on day 2 that somebody figured out they were using a "youth" cuff on him. When they used the "adult" cuff, and they tried 2 different ones, his blood pressure "magically" come in line, like 125/84. I know this may be an unusual circumstance, but sure caused his and several other peoples blood pressure to rise. <grin> He had it re-checked when he came off the trail and it was 120/82.
>
> Just a heads up.
>
> D. Tadsen
> St. Charles, MO
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andre Houser <ahouser@yahoo.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list philmont <philmont@troop47.com>
> Sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 05:12:53 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Over the height & weight limit for a scout
>
>
> mickmeyer@cox.net wrote:
> Hi:
> The Philmont medical staff is serious about enforcing the maximum weight limits.
>
>
>
>
> Hi all you philmont listers:
>
> Just FYI, on our trek this year, in late June, no one was even weighed at medical re-check. I personally took in a physical that showed me 3 pounds under the max for my height, and I had to have my BP checked twice, and all they did was ask me if my weight had changed. I told them it was a little less than the physical showed (a true statement) but they didn't check me. Guess it depends on who does the re-check.
>
> Andre Houser
> Troop 109
> DeSoto, TX
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> <DIV>Speaking of blood pressure. Make sure the medical tech. who re-checks your blood pressure is using a an "adult" cuff. We had one adult this year you spent almost 18 hours trying to get his blood pressure into an acceptable range. He had no previous problems, like 120/80 at home. It was not until 8am on day 2 that somebody figured out they were using a "youth" cuff on him. When they used the "adult" cuff, and they tried 2 different ones, his blood pressure "magically" come in line, like 125/84. I know this may be an unusual circumstance, but sure caused his and several other peoples blood pressure to rise. <grin> He had it re-checked when he came off the trail and it was 120/82.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Just a heads up.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>D. Tadsen</DIV>
> <DIV>St. Charles, MO </DIV> <BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Andre Houser <ahouser@yahoo.com><BR>To: Multiple recipients of list philmont <philmont@troop47.com><BR>Sent: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 05:12:53 -0700 (PDT)<BR>Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Over the height & weight limit for a scout<BR><BR>
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> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Hi:<BR>The Philmont medical staff is serious about enforcing the maximum weight limits. <BR><BR><BR><BR>
> <DIV>Hi all you philmont listers:</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Just FYI, on our trek this year, in late June, no one was even weighed at medical re-check. I personally took in a physical that showed me 3 pounds under the max for my height, and I had to have my BP checked twice, and all they did was ask me if my weight had changed. I told them it was a little less than the physical showed (a true statement) but they didn't check me. Guess it depends on who does the re-check.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Andre Houser</DIV>
> <DIV>Troop 109</DIV>
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> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:20:55 +0000
> From: j.tavares@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: over the height & weight limit for a scout
>
>
> There is some flexibility with the under-21 scout. And you are exactly correct that calling ahead of time will eliminate most problems. But there is a finite limit for the youth and an even more finite limit for adults (for whom they are about as flexible as a steel pipe). We had 1 youth and 1 adult that had to stay home last year. It wasn't pleasant but it certainly beat having to make arrangements to send them home. BTW, they both formally requested, and received, a refund for medical reasons.
>
> Joe
> Wood Badge - Philmont 2000
> Lead Advisor '04
> Training/Lead Advisor '06
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> > I have learned this trip that if you have a Scout that is over the height &
> > weight limit, the thing to do is to have your Doctor call the Philmont
> > medical staff and go over this with them. It's on the medical form
> > somewhere that a Scout under 21 can be 20 lbs over his height & weight limit
> > if they are not over the 295 lb limit and it's discussed with them to get
> > pre approved. Your local Dr will fax them a copy and when you check in its
> > not a problem. I just don't remember a thread on this in the past.
> > Steve MacIntyre
> > Philmont Advisor, 02, 03, 05, 07
> > Troop 777, Hermitage, TN
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> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:25:54 -0500
> From: "Allen Corzine" <a_sly_fox@msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Ground cloth inside the tent
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> I was always taught that the ground cloth should be tucked under the =
> tent's edge, therefore no water collects onto it. I guess I am lucky, I =
> never have had a problem with water collecting onto the ground cloth b/t =
> it and the tent floor. =20
>
> On the other hand, having a layer b/t the scout and the floor of the =
> tent can help make cleaning the tent easier. =20
>
> six of one, half dozen of the other, I guess.
>
> allen
>
> just a sly fox, and remember, my opinion and $ will buy coffee at the =
> trading post
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Pete Swiggum<mailto:peter.swiggum@sbcglobal.net>=20
> To: Multiple recipients of list philmont<mailto:philmont@troop47.com>=20
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 7:01 AM
> Subject: [Philmont]: Ground cloth inside the tent
>
>
> For those who have never heard of using a ground cloth inside your =
> tent:
>
> There are two schools of thought regarding the placement of a tent's =
> ground
> cloth (or footprint). I've seen it discussed many times as the "innie =
> vs.
> outie" debate.
>
> Outie:
> One places the ground cloth on the ground then sets the tent on top of =
> it.
> This method protects the bottom side of the floor on the tent, but
> potentially can be a collection point for rain water. Then, if water =
> gets
> between the ground cloth and the floor, the water has nowhere to go =
> but
> through the floor fabric making the gear inside of the tent wet.
>
> Innie:
> In this case, the tent is set up and the ground cloth is placed inside =
> the
> tent (kind of like a second floor). One's sleeping bag and pad and =
> all
> other gear is placed on top of it. The value of this method is that =
> no
> matter what, water will not come up through the plastic (or whatever =
> the
> ground cloth material is) and that the gear will stay dry. Especially =
> if
> the tent is older and the floor fabric isn't as waterproof, this =
> method
> works very well. The only downside to the "Innie" method is that the =
> bottom
> of the tent gets dirty and is subjected to more rocks, roots and sharp
> points from which a ground cloth might protect.
>
> I prefer the latter.
>
> Pete Swiggum
> Troop 1173
> Green Bay, WI
> Peter.Swiggum@sbcglobal.net<mailto:Peter.Swiggum@sbcglobal.net>
> Philmont 2005 724-M2
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "Steve Mac" =
> <oldbatteryman725@comcast.net<mailto:oldbatteryman725@comcast.net>>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont" =
> <philmont@troop47.com<mailto:philmont@troop47.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 4:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Philmont Tent and Dining Fly Questions
>
>
> > When we used the Philtents in 02, they told us to put the sheets of
> plastic
> > we had for ground tarp or foot print inside on the floor of the =
> tent. I
> > really don't remember the reason. We have used our own tents since =
> that
> > trip.
> > Steve MacIntyre
> > Philmont Advisor, 02, 03, 05, 07
> > Troop 777, Hermitage, TN
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > From: "Joe Tavares" =
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> > To: "Multiple recipients of list philmont" =
> <philmont@troop47.com<mailto:philmont@troop47.com>>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 00:48
> > Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Philmont Tent and Dining Fly Questions
> >
> >
> > 10 stakes for dining fly per Coop Wright's equipment list.
> > I don't know anything about the tents as we use our own.
> >
> > Why would you have plastic on the inside of your tent?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-philmont@troop47.com<mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com> =
> [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On
> > Behalf Of Robert Gardere
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:15 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
> > Subject: [Philmont]: Philmont Tent and Dining Fly Questions
> >
> > How many stakes does it take for a Philmont tent?
> > How many stakes does it take for a Philmont Dining Fly?
> > Do we need to furnish these?
> > What are the dimensions for a ground trap for a Philmont tent?
> > What are the Dimensions for a plastic sheet on the inside?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Bob Gardere
> > ASM T-895
> > Richardson Texas
> > Trek 21
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> and the=20
> tent floor. </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>On the other hand, having a layer b/t the scout and the floor of =
> the tent=20
> can help make cleaning the tent easier. </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>six of one, half dozen of the other, I guess.</DIV>
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> <DIV>allen</DIV>
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> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Philmont]: Ground =
> cloth inside=20
> the tent</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>For those who have never heard of using a ground cloth =
> inside=20
> your tent:<BR><BR>There are two schools of thought regarding the =
> placement of=20
> a tent's ground<BR>cloth (or footprint). I've seen it discussed =
> many=20
> times as the "innie vs.<BR>outie" debate.<BR><BR>Outie:<BR>One places =
> the=20
> ground cloth on the ground then sets the tent on top of it.<BR>This =
> method=20
> protects the bottom side of the floor on the tent, but<BR>potentially =
> can be a=20
> collection point for rain water. Then, if water gets<BR>between =
> the=20
> ground cloth and the floor, the water has nowhere to go but<BR>through =
> the=20
> floor fabric making the gear inside of the tent =
> wet.<BR><BR>Innie:<BR>In this=20
> case, the tent is set up and the ground cloth is placed inside =
> the<BR>tent=20
> (kind of like a second floor). One's sleeping bag and pad and=20
> all<BR>other gear is placed on top of it. The value of this =
> method is=20
> that no<BR>matter what, water will not come up through the plastic (or =
>
> whatever the<BR>ground cloth material is) and that the gear will stay=20
> dry. Especially if<BR>the tent is older and the floor fabric =
> isn't as=20
> waterproof, this method<BR>works very well. The only downside to =
> the=20
> "Innie" method is that the bottom<BR>of the tent gets dirty and is =
> subjected=20
> to more rocks, roots and sharp<BR>points from which a ground cloth =
> might=20
> protect.<BR><BR>I prefer the latter.<BR><BR>Pete Swiggum<BR>Troop=20
> 1173<BR>Green Bay, WI<BR><A title=3Dmailto:Peter.Swiggum@sbcglobal.net =
>
> =
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> A><BR>Philmont=20
> 2005 724-M2<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: =
> "Steve=20
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> Wednesday, July 13, 2005 4:50 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Philmont =
> Tent and=20
> Dining Fly Questions<BR><BR><BR>> When we used the Philtents in 02, =
> they=20
> told us to put the sheets of<BR>plastic<BR>> we had for ground tarp =
> or foot=20
> print inside on the floor of the tent. I<BR>> really don't =
> remember=20
> the reason. We have used our own tents since that<BR>> =
> trip.<BR>>=20
> Steve MacIntyre<BR>> Philmont Advisor, 02, 03, 05, 07<BR>> Troop =
> 777,=20
> Hermitage, TN<BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> =
> From: "Joe=20
> Tavares" <<A title=3Dmailto:j.tavares@comcast.net=20
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> Wednesday, July 13, 2005 00:48<BR>> Subject: RE: [Philmont]: =
> Philmont Tent=20
> and Dining Fly Questions<BR>><BR>><BR>> 10 stakes for dining =
> fly per=20
> Coop Wright's equipment list.<BR>> I don't know anything about the =
> tents as=20
> we use our own.<BR>><BR>> Why would you have plastic on the =
> inside of=20
> your tent?<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: <A =
>
> title=3Dmailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com=20
> =
> href=3D"mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com">owner-philmont@troop47.com</A>=
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> recipients of list philmont<BR>> Subject: [Philmont]: Philmont Tent =
> and=20
> Dining Fly Questions<BR>><BR>> How many stakes does it take for =
> a=20
> Philmont tent?<BR>> How many stakes does it take for a Philmont =
> Dining=20
> Fly?<BR>> Do we need to furnish these?<BR>> What are the =
> dimensions for=20
> a ground trap for a Philmont tent?<BR>> What are the Dimensions for =
> a=20
> plastic sheet on the inside?<BR>><BR>> Thanks in=20
> advance.<BR>><BR>> Bob Gardere<BR>> ASM T-895<BR>> =
> Richardson=20
> Texas<BR>> Trek 21<BR>> 725=20
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> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:41:44 -0400
> From: "Grantham, Dale" <dgrantham@ptc.com>
> Subject: RE: [Philmont]: Over the height & weight limit for a scout
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> In Feb 2003, I suffered what has been diagnosed as a TIA (layman -
> stroke without damage). Scheduled to be on 624-G-4 (#4), I was worried.
> I was told by my doctor that I wasn't going anywhere unless I lost
> weight and reduced cholesterol levels. After 2-3 months of doctor
> visits, tests, etc., I was released to begin training again. My doctor
> also signed my form, after I dropped 30 pounds (210 to 180 - I'm 5'9")
> and reduced cholesterol levels to the 160-170 area (living through
> chemsitry). Arriving at Philmont, I was a little concerned about the
> medical recheck, even though I had a medical release from both my
> internist and neurologist. All the medical staff wanted to know was
> whether I had my meds. Breezed right through. (Luckily, I have
> naturally low blood pressure). Lost another 10 pounds while on the
> trail
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> Fast forward to last month: 612-L-7 (#4 as well). I'm in great shape.
> I now weigh about 5 pounds more than when I got off the trail two years
> previous. I've been playing both outdoor and indoor soccer (not bad for
> 51), and lifting weights (concentrating on core and balance). Didn't
> have time to do much training hikes. At the re-check, I was
> red-flagged, due to the TIA in '03. Even though I had completed a trek
> since the incident. When the re-checker has a question/problem, you are
> sent to the infirmary (around the corner) to see the intern. If the
> intern still has questions (as in my case), the attending physician must
> sign off. I was worried that my nervousness would shoot my blood
> pressure up. Not to worry it went down - from 120/80 to 110/75. The
> attending physician was ok with everything, and away I went. This time,
> I only lost 5 pounds. No blisters, and not much soreness. (I really
> encourage the weight lifting - I believe that allowed me to really enjoy
> the trek, including the night-time forced march from Tooth Ridge - but
> that's another story)
> =20
> Bottom line: you never know what is going to happen at the re-check.
> If you take any advice from this list, take this: If you think you may
> have a problem with anybody in your crew, make contact before you leave.
> Get it in writing, both home doctor, and Philmont. Burn up the fax
> wires if necessary. Don't put either your crew advisor or the Philmont
> staff in a bind.
> =20
> Oh, and double check that you have a copy of each crew member's
> insurance card (front and back) before you leave - or you will be using
> that fax while trying to get the crew on the trail!
> =20
> Dale M Grantham
> SM - Troop 895
> Richardson, TX
> '70 (NYJLT), '00 Woodbadge, '03 624-G-4, '05 621-L-7
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-philmont@troop47.com
> [mailto:owner-philmont@troop47.com] On Behalf Of Andre Houser
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 7:13 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list philmont
> Subject: Re: [Philmont]: Over the height & weight limit for a
> scout
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> mickmeyer@cox.net wrote:
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> Hi:
> The Philmont medical staff is serious about enforcing
> the maximum weight limits.=20
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> Hi all you philmont listers:
> =20
> Just FYI, on our trek this year, in late June, no one
> was even weighed at medical re-check. I personally took in a physical
> that showed me 3 pounds under the max for my height, and I had to have
> my BP checked twice, and all they did was ask me if my weight had
> changed. I told them it was a little less than the physical showed (a
> true statement) but they didn't check me. Guess it depends on who does
> the re-check.
> =20
> Andre Houser
> Troop 109
> DeSoto, TX
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> <DIV><SPAN class=3D734351613-13072005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
> size=3D2>In Feb=20
> 2003, I suffered what has been diagnosed as a TIA (layman - stroke =
> without=20
> damage). Scheduled to be on 624-G-4 (#4), I was worried. I =
> was told=20
> by my doctor that I wasn't going anywhere unless I lost weight and =
> reduced=20
> cholesterol levels. After 2-3 months of doctor visits, tests, etc., I =
> was=20
> released to begin training again. My doctor also signed my form, =
> after I=20
> dropped 30 pounds (210 to 180 - I'm 5'9") and reduced cholesterol levels =
> to the=20
> 160-170 area (living through chemsitry). Arriving at Philmont, I =
> was a=20
> little concerned about the medical recheck, even though I had a medical =
> release=20
> from both my internist and neurologist. All the medical staff =
> wanted to=20
> know was whether I had my meds. Breezed right through. =
> (Luckily, I=20
> have naturally low blood pressure). Lost another 10 pounds while